retired_hope

He's that diagram again,



Since I first posted this, I have changed my mind about the mentality being linked. I don't think it is any more.

I find I can use mentality to positon players better.

For Example, if I play with a deep defensive line my DC's will move back into a deeper positon as the ball gets closer to them. To help these guys out I use mentality so the are positoned deeper all the time. This way when they move backward they don't have as far to go and ensure that they are in a better posiotn to close down when there Closing Down says they should.

This isn't really part of what I am trying to get accross in this discussion, but it important to take into account if you wanted to know how to read this diagram.

So im saying there is a relationship with mentality, but it is not as strong as I first thought.

Funnily enough it says this in the manual.

retired_wadleigh187

so you say that if i use a 4-4-2 and i want one of my MC's to be a little,just a little more advanced than the other i have to adjust mentalities?without having to use forward runs.is enough to use mentalities?if one MC will have a mentality of 14 and the other's midfielders will have 10 will be a little difference in their positions ?i was thinking that mentalities is influencing their passing only

retired_jacque90

Thank you for taking the time to explain this, Leroy and Rashidi.

I'm not taking absolutely anything from the quality of your thoughts and observations, but still I have to ask: Am I the only one that thinks this system is unnecessarily complicated and not intuitive in the least?

I hope to all the saints SI realized this and a simpler system is in place for '08. I don't mean a less complex system. Just a simpler one.

retired_wadleigh187

one more question Leroy.if mentality affects player position on the picth,it does so only when attacking or even when you are defending?i hope you help me

retired_hope

Yes horik, if you want them to play as you describe it just a little higher up the pitch.

Forward runs just instruct the player how often to make a forward run so that your team can try a thoughball or direct pass for you to get onto when your team has the ball.

Mentality does influence passing as you suggest, but if you are playing the guy higher up the field chances are you want him to be more attacking minded.

Chadaman, it occurred to me today that all the instructions are telling a player is where to positon themselves how long to hit passes and when to start closing down, etc.

I think this is exactly what a manager does, he instructs his players. It is up to them to then do the business. If the manager asks a player to play in a way that is not suitble for that player and his performance suffers then that is the fault of the manager.

If the player performs badly with instuctions that they are suited to then this is the player not pulling their weight.

I thought this system was quite simple once you worked out what it was.

Unfortunately a less complex system is a simpler one.

Tactical Tip
If your tactics do not suit a player you can tell this by assessing the players Morale on the Teamtalk screen. This is his match day morale which is different from his normal morale. If this is below ok or below take a look to see what is causing it. It may be just a better player playing against them, or just that your instructions are not really working for the formation or situation.

retired_hope

Okay this is how mentality affect position, this is very general so I hope you all don't get too upset by it.

The black lines indicate the general posiotn the player will take in relation to the posiotn of the ball. So if the ball is in play, not a goal kick, the players will take up positons along the black lines. If the ball was high up the pitch then the players would move to the top of the there prospective black lines. as the ball moved lower they would take up posiotn lower down the black line.

As you can see form the diagram, the central defenders are set to a mentality of 5, the left sided wide players are set to 10, the right sided wide players are set to 15, one of the strikers is playing withdraw and is set on 5 whilst the other is set on 10. Midfielder are staggered also, one deeper to plug the gap caused by me playing a deeper line and one higher up to support the strikers.

With this setup I intend to attack up the right hand side of the pitch. The winger will have the option of crossing to the far striker for a header or to the near striker to attempt the long shot.

Defensive line will affect the postioning of the defenders and arrows will affect players by extebding the range of movement.

But that is basically it with mentality.

retired_rjw13838

Im not asking for a clarification on how to use it, but on what it actually does.

It is one thing to have in your mind the idea how you want to play. To translate this to the game though, you need to know exactly what a slider does. If you think it does x, but it in fact does y, then you're going all wrong.

The manual on several occasions tells you a slider does x, yet in game it does y. Take the defensive line for example. According to the manual your defenders will defend near the halfway line when pushing up and defend deep when playing deep. Its obvious this is an outright lie.

Which is pretty much the point. Im not asking for articles the length off wwfans post, Im asking for complete explanations that I can actually trust, without being misled.

retired_hope

Actually that is pretty accurate. That is what it does.

The bit is doesn't mention is the effect it has with closing down, but I seems obvious now.

The manual is ambiguous, but it doesn't tell falsehoods.

The same can be said for MV hints and tips.

aby

Okay this is how mentality affect position, this is very general so I hope you all don't get too upset by it.

The black lines indicate the general posiotn the player will take in relation to the posiotn of the ball. So if the ball is in play, not a goal kick, the players will take up positons along the black lines. If the ball was high up the pitch then the players would move to the top of the there prospective black lines. as the ball moved lower they would take up posiotn lower down the black line.

As you can see form the diagram, the central defenders are set to a mentality of 5, the left sided wide players are set to 10, the right sided wide players are set to 15, one of the strikers is playing withdraw and is set on 5 whilst the other is set on 10. Midfielder are staggered also, one deeper to plug the gap caused by me playing a deeper line and one higher up to support the strikers.

With this setup I intend to attack up the right hand side of the pitch. The winger will have the option of crossing to the far striker for a header or to the near striker to attempt the long shot.

Defensive line will affect the postioning of the defenders and arrows will affect players by extebding the range of movement.

But that is basically it with mentality. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Alright, I must be dumb. If the orange circle is the keeper, then the two blue dots right in front are the D C 's. You said they have a mentality of 5. But it looks to me more like 15 as they are set 3/4 of the way up the slider away from the keeper. I understand the points and they are great, but is the diagram correct? Am I reading this the wrong way?

retired_lachina

Actually I set my fullbacks' closing down to 2 clicks only.
They usually run up and leave gaps in the defence or try to tackle a winger and fail, leaving the wing open.

Therefore I set the fullbacks closing down to 2 and pressure the winger to make a weak cross or run the ball out.