aby

When you say "wingers are on max" do you mean a CD of 20 or a mentality of 20...or both?

aby

Also, are there any links to tactics that are built with all of this in mind that we can check out Leroy, Rashidi?

retired_rjw13838

What has that got to do with my post?

If I was asking for in-depth instructions and how best to play and/or win, then I would see your point.

retired_hope

Maximum closing down.

Mentality is something much different.

But this thread is about closing down and how it works.

I don't post tactics for several reasons.

1) Because every team has different players, and so will need a different set of tactics to be optimal.

2) Because I am only presenting the concepts, the idea is that if you understand the concept you will be able to make your own tactics to suit any team and situation.

3) It half the fun creating your own tactics, what's the point in downloading other except for testing.

4) I have provided enough info to demonstrate how I believe closing down works. If you have any questions I will answer them as best I can.

I am sure someone else will be able to built a base tactic using these concepts for you to download, but if you just want to download tactics you wont understand the mechanics of the game and so long term you will still not understand how to rectify problem with your tactic against different teams.

P.S - I understand that some my have views on how SI have written the manual etc. I appreciate your frustrations and agree that especially in the case of closing down a less ambigious description would have saved a lot of time for people to start enjoying the game.

However, their are currently many threads where this critism is being layout.

So could I ask you to post critisms there and not in this thread. If we can stay on topic it will allow other to have to trall through a lot less text.

Communicating the concept and answer related questions are what I and most other are interested in.

Thanks again

retired_jilliankcrabtree

Let me se if i have got this right...
Would the following be a decent approach to a home and away closing down method? :

Home
Defensive line 15
2 DC: 5
2 FB: 10
2 DMC: 10
1 AMC: 10
AML and AMR: 10 (or higher?)
ST: 10

Away
Defensive line 5
FBs and DCs the same as above and the rest at 15?

retired_jemar1959

What has that got to do with my post?

If I was asking for in-depth instructions and how best to play and/or win, then I would see your point. </BLOCKQUOTE>

But you kind of are... You're asking for clarification of how to use a tool that is provided in a game for the gamer to use as they see fit. If SI provided the sort of clarification and in-depth analysis that leroy has in this thread - and other such as cleon and rashidi have in others - then the game would quickly become too easy, because all you would have to do is read the manual and you can set up a pretty robust, winning tactic (or set of...).

Putting that in the instruction manual would also be the death of this forum (or this area in particular), which would be pointless - and potentially disastrous...

I wasn't having a go, btw... :O)

retired_hope

Rasmus,

When selecting your D-line you need to consider the attributes of your players and the oppositon team.

Example: If you have fast defenders then you can afford to play a higher D-line because if it is broken your defenders will be able to catch up the player running through.

Generally something like this is more what I would use.

Home
Defensive Line 10
2 DC 5
2 FB 8
1 DMC 10
1 DMC 15
1 AMC 5
2 Wingers 18
1 FC 20

Home Assumptions
I have assumed you are playing a strong center forward here. He has is good in the air and has high workrate and stamina.

The AMC is a creative player and he is going to stay up the pitch and look to get into a good position for when your team win the ball back.

The DMC have different closing down because if the first one fails to win the ball, the second is in a positon to do so. If they were both set the same, they would both go for the ball at the same time.

The fullback are set to 8, two notches low than I would set them for a 4-4-2. This is because your wingers are operating so far up the pitch. If the oppostion can get past the fullbacks they will have too much time and space to put in a good cross.

Away
Defensive Line 8
2 DC 5
2 FB 8
1 DMC 10
1 DMC 13
1 AMC 5
2 Wingers 14
1 FC 10

Away assumptions
In principle the same approach as home. playing 2 notches deeper defensive line means everyone in the teams closing down line is reduced.

In this line up I am assuming that you have replaced the hard working FC for one with a lot more pace and dribbling skills, who can be used to hit the oppositon on the break.

If you go a goal down you can push up the line up to close down higher up the pitch to get one back. However I would only recommend increasing d-line by say a maximum of 3 notches. You defenders are not going to suddenly get faster so pushing up any higher will lead to a higher risk of being successfully hit in the break.

retired_jilliankcrabtree

Thank you for your reply Leroy,

I will give it a try later this evening. For your information i use a fast striker(Agüero) for both home and away games and he does brilliantly. Van Der Vaart is the AMC, while Lucas and De Rossi are the blue collars of the team. The full backs are fast enough to keep high pressure (Chiellini and Vanden Borre) while i am unsure of my two central defenders (Sergio Ramos and Mexes). Oh...Marcelo and C. Ronaldo are my wingers.

Good post btw...

retired_uhmanduhhx33

Edington, what you are asking for isn't any sort of tactical challenge. You are basically saying that it's better to have SI obfuscate things and make that guessing game become the challenge behind FM.

I personally would love to have tactical variation, experimenting with different tactics and such, trying to beat the AI.. But on a level playing field. If things like this are explained properly in the manual, and then it becomes too easy to win... that's an AI issue, something that SI should fix, not cover up with poor descriptions etc. (I'm not saying that's what SI have done, but you get my point).

aby

Maximum closing down.

Mentality is something much different.

But this thread is about closing down and how it works.

I don't post tactics for several reasons.

1) Because every team has different players, and so will need a different set of tactics to be optimal.

2) Because I am only presenting the concepts, the idea is that if you understand the concept you will be able to make your own tactics to suit any team and situation.

3) It half the fun creating your own tactics, what's the point in downloading other except for testing.

4) I have provided enough info to demonstrate how I believe closing down works. If you have any questions I will answer them as best I can.

I am sure someone else will be able to built a base tactic using these concepts for you to download, but if you just want to download tactics you wont understand the mechanics of the game and so long term you will still not understand how to rectify problem with your tactic against different teams.

P.S - I understand that some my have views on how SI have written the manual etc. I appreciate your frustrations and agree that especially in the case of closing down a less ambigious description would have saved a lot of time for people to start enjoying the game.

However, their are currently many threads where this critism is being layout.

So could I ask you to post critisms there and not in this thread. If we can stay on topic it will allow other to have to trall through a lot less text.

Communicating the concept and answer related questions are what I and most other are interested in.

Thanks again </BLOCKQUOTE>

I completely agree. Let me clarify. I will download tactics like WWFAN's, for example, to see them, but I design my own. I wanted to see the actual design, but based on the recent post above, that is not necessary. I can work off of that.

I must say that I love the ideas. My next tactic set (and I need a change) will center around these concepts.

Also, anyone not quite getting the graphs, the Luketi thread Rashidi posted has another graph from Leroy that kind of brought it all home for me. Leroy, maybe you should just put that graph in this thread, too.

Going to design now...