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Old 11-17-2007, 03:26 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #21
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The thing I find most annoying is that its impossible to score with a high tempo.
My tempo bar is all the way to the left...I fielded Maldini (41) the whole season, Cafu and Serginho on the bench... we like it nice and slow :-)

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I have taken away ALL creative freedom and every players long shot instructions is set to rarely.
Except for the four defenders (medium-low), everyone else I keep on medium and Kaka on high creativity.
For shots, everyone on rarely but Seedorf and Kaka on often.

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So you, AC Milan, on route to victory/the final in every competition you entered scored from 3% more shots than the teams you faced....that proves what exactly?

With such a dominant team shouldn't the gulf be wider?
Depends on the style I guess. I like to have control of the game, keep the ball. Domination to me is allowing the opponent a minimum number of clear chances. 12% vs 9% means 25% more frequently, which is quite a lot a anyways.
Also, I field only one striker, and three defensive midfielders, thus my "finishing" skills are not that high overall.
The point was to prove that the "If I have 20 chances and the AI has 1, they win" motto is pure fantasy.

That has happened to me only once in the season: I lost 2-1 to Juventus away, they had 6 chances, I had 8. One of their goals was offside (Juventus, after all), I screamed "I was robbed" and the FA shut up...

Again, I am not a fanboy, there are some serious bugs (Maldini morale! Ronaldo hates AC Milan! Too few penalties! Stadium expansion), some useless features (team talk, media interaction, board happiness), but that bias doesn't exists to me.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:27 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #22
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Bottom line: if you have more shots, you end up winning, and it's all up to the tactics!!!
would barça have won the champs without ronaldinho 2 years ago????? dont think so. would manU have won the league without CR amazing season??? dont think so. would milan have won champs without kaka amazing season in champs??? dont think so. in FM2008 its all about tactics. i've played a couple of seasons and i never saw any GK making an amazing game, neither have saw anyone making a 10 and hardly making a 9. it's impossible for any player to have the influence they have in real life... at least i never saw it... </BLOCKQUOTE>



I've had stand out players. This season Lennon has scored 18 goals or so from the wing, and is doing a 'Ronaldo' for the team.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:31 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #23
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You had 800+ Shots
AI had 400+ Shot. That can not be all AI in the league. Therefore, you have selective stats. Try doing it for aLL the clubs in the division, and see where that leads you.
I beg to differ.
It's the stats of the team I manage vs. all the AI teams I faced. My decisions impact the AI results. What AI does vs AI is none of my concern.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:46 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #24
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I don't think there is a bias against the human user. I do think there is a match engine bias against certain kinds of chances, and this might be in order to keep scores from getting blown out of proportion.

Thus, certain play styles that are often adopted by human players that generate a lot of chacnes that look great in the match engine result in lots of misses, which is enourmously frustrating.

The AI tends to play styles that result in the 'right' kind of shots as deemed by the match engine, resulting in a much higher percentage of scores.

I have learned to accept this after dozens and dozens of seasons where I overwhelm my oppoennet with seemling great opportunities and yet scores are routinely closer than you would think they should be. But SI would go a long way to defusing this by adjusting the engine so that good and bad opportunities are more clearly discernable in the match engine.

One way might be via the play by play commentary, which I feel has lost some of its insight in recent years. I remember it used to clearly point out that a player was tightly marked or really being squeezed by defender 'x'. This was useful in not only finding out why your guy was missing but also who was playing well on defense.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:53 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #25
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I'm not screaming conspiracy either, but here are my stats after 10 Prem games with Arsenal using the updated Beta Patch.

Arsenal = 195 shots, 104 on target, 8 goals.
Against = 52 shots 25 on target, 9 goals.

So the average match stats see's me as Arsenal having 20 shots with 10 on target and averaging less than a goal a game, whilst the opposition average 5 shots with 2.5 on target and have almost a goal a game average.

I'm hoping this is due to problems with Bugs rather than any AI advantage worked into the game, so i refuse to call foul until the Official Patch has been released, but if it continues like this after the patch?, then my FM days are numbered.

In 7 out of those 10 games, the opposition GK has received the MOM, which is also a big concern, maybe its a problem with too many GK's enjoying the big occasion?, which would be a fixable Bug.
Arsenal dominating play but not scoring isn't unheard of in real life
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Old 11-17-2007, 05:53 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #26
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Bottom line: if you have more shots, you end up winning, and it's all up to the tactics!!!
would barça have won the champs without ronaldinho 2 years ago????? dont think so. would manU have won the league without CR amazing season??? dont think so. would milan have won champs without kaka amazing season in champs??? dont think so. in FM2008 its all about tactics. i've played a couple of seasons and i never saw any GK making an amazing game, neither have saw anyone making a 10 and hardly making a 9. it's impossible for any player to have the influence they have in real life... at least i never saw it... </BLOCKQUOTE>

which of course makes the game less real </BLOCKQUOTE>

I've had Rooney/Aguero single-handedly win/salvage games for me over the course of two seasons, games I can quite safely say I was soundly outclassed tactically (damn you Capello!)
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Old 11-17-2007, 06:30 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #27
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The only time I've ever thought that there might have been a conspiracy going on is when I signed Igor Akinfeev for Reading in the second season. I hadn't signed any players at all and had sold my reserves, so I had quite a pot of money saved up. (In case your wondering, I used the senior youth players as back-up- James Henry, Scott golbourne, etc). Marcus Hahnemann needed replacing, Adam Federici had looked shaky when I called upon him, and Mikkel Andersen didn't seem able to keep going for a whole season. Whenever I'd played against Akinfeev on my other saves, either in the CL or for Russia against England, he'd been amazing. Granted, he'd concede an average of 2.5 goals a game, but he'd nearly always get a 9 or even a 10 and look like a portable brick wall.
The scouts told me not to do it, and that I'd be better off recalling Graham Stack from loan- as if! I bought him, for nearly 5 times the club record transfer fee of 2.5 million, and I became 12 million pounds worse off.
The scouts were proved correct. Igor didn't keep a single clean sheet in 6 months! I used him, Hahnmann, Federici and Andersen in rotation for the rest of the season (2 games, switch, 2 games, switch) and used Ben Hamer (youth team keeper) in the cup, and only played 1 more Cup match! Andersen ended up standing out, so I sold Hahnmann, Stack and Hamer and kept the other three- Andersen first choice, Akinfeev second and Federici cups/reserves.
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Old 11-17-2007, 06:31 PM   There is NO bias that favour AI (stats based on 59 games) Post #28
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And BTW, I am also of the opinion that there is no bias in the game, it was proberbly my tactics
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