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Old 10-30-2007, 08:48 PM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #21
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I have never used FMM, just found it...DL'ed it, installed it.
I run the game, WWSM. Load the game, and then run FMM, and it says it is not compatible.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:35 PM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #22
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Sega, SI - please take note of the extreme confusion the naming change is causing.

I think a cover with a soccer ball on it and the name "football manager" should be sufficient.. especially to your target audience.

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If the difference between FM and WWSM is purely cosmetic (as we were told before), why is it taking so much longer to duplicate a beta-patch that was ready (and has been in use by FMers) 5 days ago??!

I am no programmer, but such a delay makes me fear that the differences go far beyond the name and language of the game...

Are WWSMers REALLY getting the same game??
I think its far easier to understand if you think about it from SI's business objectives.

What's the point in releasing a Beta patch? To get feedback for the real patch.

What size is the WWSM user-base compared to the FM user-base?

And how football-educated is the average WWSM user compared to the average FM user?

They would (rightly!) expect to get much better customer feedback about the Beta from their FM base than their WWSM base.

From a developer's perspective, it would be a massive hassle to maintain two separate code bases for two different games. It is, however, common to build the same code into multiple SKU's. This is a build/compile option, and it should take no longer to prepare the patch for a second SKU than it takes to run the build; machine time, not human-time.

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I heard that SI made changes to the match engine for WWSM to make it "easier on" Americans. More scoring, fewer draws, etc.
What?? No - your post is the first I've heard that rumour. If you have a link to such said by an SI employee, please provide.

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1. If the game is not available as a boxed game in stores, why name it WWSM? The people that are Digi Downloading it know exactly what it is, SI should have just (IMHO) provided a DD for FM for the North americans...
It is available as a boxed game in stores; I have purchased previous CM(SI) and FM from places like Fry's, etc. It is also available boxed from Amazon.

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I have never used FMM, just found it...DL'ed it, installed it. I run the game, WWSM. Load the game, and then run FMM, and it says it is not compatible.
This was explained earlier in this thread. FMM is looking for a resident executable program called "fm.exe". Your program is called "wsm.exe". If you rename the file, it should* work.

*-I can't attest to this; I don't use FMM myself.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:05 AM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by Amaroq:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Recury:
I heard that SI made changes to the match engine for WWSM to make it "easier on" Americans. More scoring, fewer draws, etc.
What?? No - your post is the first I've heard that rumour. If you have a link to such said by an SI employee, please provide.
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I just made it up, but he will probably believe it as paranoid as he is.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:10 AM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #24
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True enough!
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:48 AM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #25
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Hello together

I'm brandnew to the FM/WSM scene, live in Switzerland and mostly am interested in an accurate MLS game experience.

As far as I've read, appart the diffrent name (on the package and exe file) it's the same game.

So there is no need for me to buy the WSM, but I can go and get myself FM in the local stores ?
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Yes, just buy FM which is what is sold in stores in your country. You'll be fine and will have the exact same MLS experience that WWSM owners have.

Only the names and 'language' (US English vs. UK English) is different.

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This was explained earlier in this thread. FMM is looking for a resident executable program called "fm.exe". Your program is called "wsm.exe". If you rename the file, it should* work.

*-I can't attest to this; I don't use FMM myself.
BAd F'n News guys!!

Those of us who went for the "Digital Download" version and need to use FMM are SCREWED!!

Read THIS!!
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:07 PM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #27
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Find out who makes FMM and email him if it's that important to you. I doubt it would be a huge deal to get it to work with WWSM.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:14 PM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #28
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Indeed. Contact the third-party vendor.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:07 PM   FM2008 vs. WSM2008 Post #29
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Originally posted by Recury:
Find out who makes FMM and email him if it's that important to you. I doubt it would be a huge deal to get it to work with WWSM.
Apparently, it is ... jpee's been asked before, and hasn't been able to produce one yet ...
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Those of us who went for the "Digital Download" version and need to use FMM are SCREWED!!
What do you mean, need? Other than a huge bug, I see no reason why you'd need to use it.

If you really want to edit then use the editor.
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