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Old 08-03-2007, 09:35 AM   Interesting Experiment - Stats So Far Post #1
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After having the idea to run an experiment using a group of players with good heading and strength stats, i decided the easy way to go was to start as Chelsea, as i'm not great with the editor and with Chelsea i could just buy in the right players.

Using Rashidi's 424 tweaked to play as a 442 with long farrows i had the following first 11...

Cech
Zaccardo
Chiellini
Terry
Carvalho
Prieto
Borowski
Lampard
Ballack
Shevchenko
Drogba(Klose-injured)

After playing the first six games in the Prem here are some early stats!.

Man Utd lead the table with 16 points, Chelsea are 3rd with 14 and propping up the table so far are Bolton who have lost every game.

Man Utd have a 1 in 3 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 7

Chelsea have a 1 in 5 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 3

Bolton have a 1 in 6 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 4

What this shows so far is that Chelsea are converting and conceding at a rate closer to a side at the bottom of the table who have lost every game so far.



If you take a look at the opposition and then at the Chelsea players shooting stats its really quite amazing that Chelsea did'nt put at least ONE opportunity away?.

Borowski Finishing 15 Composure 12
Prieto Finishing 15 Composure 14
Lampard Finishing 16 Composure 17
Ballack Finishing 16 Composure 15
Shevchenko Finishing 16 Composure 19
Drogba Finishing 17 Composure 12

Drogba also won an amazing 21 out of 21 headers, yet Chelsea still failed to score?.

I'm sure i'll get the usual response from a certain band of FM er's?, but to me its just more evidence to suggest that the game is nothing more than a roll of the dice or a one off game of rock paper scissors!.
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:54 AM   Interesting Experiment - Stats So Far Post #2
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Maybe the players don't like the manager and want him to get fired?
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Thats the very next Champions League result.

Thats 45 shots 19 on target without a single goal.

No wonder i struggle to win the games i should with West Ham if its such a struggle to score with a club such as Chelsea?.
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Originally posted by Hammer1000:
After having the idea to run an experiment using a group of players with good heading and strength stats, i decided the easy way to go was to start as Chelsea, as i'm not great with the editor and with Chelsea i could just buy in the right players.

Using Rashidi's 424 tweaked to play as a 442 with long farrows i had the following first 11...

Cech
Zaccardo
Chiellini
Terry
Carvalho
Prieto
Borowski
Lampard
Ballack
Shevchenko
Drogba(Klose-injured)

After playing the first six games in the Prem here are some early stats!.

Man Utd lead the table with 16 points, Chelsea are 3rd with 14 and propping up the table so far are Bolton who have lost every game.

Man Utd have a 1 in 3 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 7

Chelsea have a 1 in 5 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 3

Bolton have a 1 in 6 conversion rate and are conceding 1 in 4

What this shows so far is that Chelsea are converting and conceding at a rate closer to a side at the bottom of the table who have lost every game so far.



If you take a look at the opposition and then at the Chelsea players shooting stats its really quite amazing that Chelsea did'nt put at least ONE opportunity away?.

Borowski Finishing 15 Composure 12
Prieto Finishing 15 Composure 14
Lampard Finishing 16 Composure 17
Ballack Finishing 16 Composure 15
Shevchenko Finishing 16 Composure 19
Drogba Finishing 17 Composure 12

Drogba also won an amazing 21 out of 21 headers, yet Chelsea still failed to score?.

I'm sure i'll get the usual response from a certain band of FM er's?, but to me its just more evidence to suggest that the game is nothing more than a roll of the dice or a one off game of rock paper scissors!.
as some other user (Hatman i think) stated in some other thread, "the match is pre-decided unless u make tactical changes". IMO the match is pre-decided, whether u change tactics or not will not make a big dif in the result. Probably instead of having a 0:0, u'll have a 1:1 when changing tactics, but the overall result (win, Lose, Draw) probably wont be affected.
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Guess when they do like their manager they could turn in better results with the Hammers

Hammering their way to the top
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Guess when they do like their manager they could turn in better results with the Hammers

Hammering their way to the top
Why show such a small part of the screenshot, is it because the rest shows how many times you had to restart the game to get the right result?. :eek:
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Who did the team talks?
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:06 PM   Interesting Experiment - Stats So Far Post #8
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After playing the first six games in the Prem here are some early stats!.
Being objective here, 6 games is no way a fair way to judge. Perhaps Man Utd's defenders are feeling sharper due to more intense pre season training and put in a better performance, or maybe they had a big win at the start and their high morale boosted their conversion rates and clean sheets.
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:51 PM   Interesting Experiment - Stats So Far Post #9
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I'm sure i'll get the usual response from a certain band of FM er's?, but to me its just more evidence to suggest that the game is nothing more than a roll of the dice or a one off game of rock paper scissors!.
This I have to agree with. Although I've never saved screenshots, I have often looked at the last 10 games of different teams and purely based on stats the games that could have gone either way have fallen to the side in a better league position after the 10 games, i.e. the dice have fallen in their favour. I know stats are meaningless in shots on target without knowing if these were long shots etc. but I have looked at extended highlights and it appears that it often comes down to luck.

Off the top of my head I remember seeing an AI vs AI Liverpool vs. Bolton, and in the first 10 minutes Crouch missed 2 one on ones and a sitter in the six yard box. Bolton proceeded to score with a Diop one on one, their first shot on target.

Without ever seeing the code you will never know to what extent this random/luck element affects the outcome.

In defense of SI without this being programmed into the game, then as it is just a bunch of calculations, you would have every single person who bought the game having exactly the same league positions, same top goalscorers etc. in leagues they weren't involved in.

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IMO the match is pre-decided
As someone who reloads to try and figure out tactics, and to win all of my matches , I can 100% tell you this is not true.
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Guess when they do like their manager they could turn in better results with the Hammers

Hammering their way to the top
Maybe it's the tactics
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