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retired_crazybonejr · 12-16-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by turnip:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by iajafer:
The board only allows scouting within the nation played in, and eventually allows one to scout the region...but LLM rules say an LLM team can have a feeder/parent club in europe?

I don't think so

So does this mean I can have River Plate as my parent club? After all, they're not in Europe... </BLOCKQUOTE>

Then how come I've seen people win the Champions League with them?

retired_csexton · 12-16-2006, 02:02 AM

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Originally posted by mattymjp:
Playing as Aldershot and was given the choice as having AFC Bournmouth or Arsenal as my Parent club, hmmmmmmm. Can I expect them to often give me loan players or will they be few and far between? The extra 50k a year will pay for a couple of my player's wages, so thanks Mr Wenger.

I had burnley as i parent club with stevenage for 2 years and then i cancelled it and chose arsenal and they gave me two players straight away.

KingsbayYHPE · 12-16-2006, 02:23 AM

Another one who posts without any knowledge of what LLM's about

retired_crazybonejr · 12-16-2006, 04:01 AM

And you're surprised? Why do you think the Hut and CMC exist?

retired_sopra · 12-16-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Nobby_McDonald:
What Michal said, feeder/parent clubs are banned by the respective Football Associations in the British Isles.

As far as I understand the rules, the only reason why Feeder Clubs are banned in England is because in the FA rules a Feeder Club is defined as a club who doesn't have fully control over its own players. (Nursury Club).

A parent/feeder relation in FM that only regards possible loans and friendlies should be allowed by the FA. (if you look at english feeder/parent relations they don't include first options)

Now my question is: Are feeder clubs banned in the LLM forum despite them being allowed by the FA because you in game can get an unfair advantage that you don't get in real life, have I missed something in the FA rules that actually state that such links are banned, or are they banned because someone on the LLM forum didn't read the FA rules correctly and banned them?

KingsbayYHPE · 12-16-2006, 01:41 PM

Jesus, another one

Feeder/Parent Clubs aren't banned in LLM. In the guidelines we say that a LLaMa wouldn't touch them with someone else's, I wouldn't play a game using them though I've just completed an arrangement with Motherwell which showed that the option doesn't work in FM anyway in order to get a first hand view of it.

Tell you what, though...you seem to think you know everything about FA rules, in that you're willing to come in here and patronise the forum...tell me one single arrangement in real life that mirrors the FM arrangement.

Just one.

KingsbayYHPE · 12-16-2006, 01:44 PM

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Parent/Feeder Clubs

This is a dodgy one. The Home Nation FAs effectively ban any kind of feeder arrangement, i.e. no "first option" or Directors having interests in more than one Club.

SI say they have the arrangement in purely so big clubs can loan players to lower teams so they can gain experience of first team football, and for the teams to arrange friendlies, ostensibly so the lower club can benefit financially.

In LLM, where we strive for realism, it's a grey area. Our initial, and current, thoughts are that LLaMas shouldn't use the facility but we won't say "don't do it", though Zealot's wouldn't touch it with someone else's, to the extent of turning down friendlies and not using loanees signed by the board.

There's the wording in the guidelines, seeing as you obviously can't be bothered reading them yourself.

retired_sopra · 12-16-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by iajafer:
Jesus, another one

Feeder/Parent Clubs aren't banned in LLM. In the guidelines we say that a LLaMa wouldn't touch them with someone else's, I wouldn't play a game using them though I've just completed an arrangement with Motherwell which showed that the option doesn't work in FM anyway in order to get a first hand view of it.

Tell you what, though...you seem to think you know everything about FA rules, in that you're willing to come in here and patronise the forum...tell me one single arrangement in real life that mirrors the FM arrangement.

Just one.

I admit it, it has been a while since I've read the guidelines.

I didn't claim to know everything about the FA rules, nor do I think I do. I do claim to have some kind of understanding of the feeder rules, but I have no problem in being corrected if I'm worng. I'm sorry if I came of as patronising, I was just seeking anwsers for myself, not trying to teach the entire LLM forum.

I can't give you any English/English examples as I don't follow english football (except following the danish players, I'm from Denmark) and I get from your post that there aren't any. That's why I asked "Are feeder clubs banned in the LLM forum despite them being allowed by the FA because you in game can get an unfair advantage that you don't get in real life..."?

Why did I think they were banned? Well, that seems to be what's generally accepted on these forums (despite what the guidelines say). (Posts 3&4 are prime examples of this, and that's how it generally comes out whenever talked about)

So I guess that the answer to my question is, that because there really aren't any such links between english clubs in real life the it is looked down upon (not banned) on the LLM forums? This sounds perfectly rationally to me.

sorry for the long post.

KingsbayYHPE · 12-16-2006, 02:34 PM

Gramm0, it was rude of me to reply as I did, the excuse (no justification) being that we get a lot of guys coming in and...well...you know, especially at new game release time

You pretty much got it with your assumption in the penultimate paragraph, btw. Although it's programmed into the game by SI, and the FA rules do, as you say, apply to nursery clubs, I can find no mention of any such arrangements (loans, friendlies and fees) in Home Nation leagues (apart from one found by Keith in Norn Iron between a 2nd Division Clb and a non-league club).

Do you play LLM?

retired_sopra · 12-16-2006, 03:07 PM

I've always tried to play the game as realistic as possible and playing long games with LLM teams, so I would say I play a kind of LLM. I read this forum for inspiration more than for the rules, although I think I follow them pretty much anyway.

On the feeder club note, what is recomended I do with WP and financial relationships.
The first step is getting them, and you normally have to have local feeder clubs already.
Secondly are financial feeders accepted as an substitution for the real life income of merchandising on other continents?

(yeah, I don't low of my manager skills :cool

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