Jablome

I somehow go the opposite way. As the technical attributes are easy to improved/trained even the player get mature, i will focus on physical training while the player were young. For some position such as DC or FC, no matter how technical they are without decent physical stats [DC without jumping, FC without pace or jumping] they just wont work well on top level.

Also, if we look at the default young training we can see they are focus in fitness training as well. </BLOCKQUOTE>

First, Dayle, another great thread.

I think there might be a middle ground here. Here are some thoughts:

1. I am finding that a youth with really low physical stats is doomed unless you really focus on building them up.

2. A youth with mid range physical stats needs them to be developed and focused on a little more if they are going to become something special. Hopefully, that happens with some training and when they come of age, I might just put them in the general schedule for their position (i.e. Full Backs for Petr Marek).

3. Finally, a youth with great physical attributes should be focusing on tact/tech more because the star quaility physical requirements are already there. Now, you can make them a world class player.

So, what I have been inclined to do is to put 1 and 2 in the same general youth training schedule. If I have a 3 tho, I will probably create an individual schedule for that player(s). Don't get too many 3s, so it is not like I have 40 ind youth schedules, etc.

littlemoe_cc

Nice thread. Few thoughts I would like to share:

1. I found a reliable training schedule by Matt which includes training for both Senior and Youth players (I can't remember where i downloaded it.. Maybe at FMDownload Portal). Note however for any training schedule to work you need a good set of coaches and each assigned to a particular training specialization i.e. Attacking, Defending, etc. of course with a 5 star rating on that particular field. I've been using it ever since and it is instrumental in developing my youth players as well as my seniors. Check the schedule out. I also observed that to get the maximum effect of the training schedule, the coaches must not be overloaded with too many players. I suggest a squad size of 30 players at most including the youth players would do the trick. What i do if i have a larger squad size is first, send out on loan young reserve players who i think would not in the season feature in the first team and possible candidates to be sold the next season so that they get first team experience, increase their attributes without detriment to my first team players and upcoming young talents which i keep in my reserve team for personal club training, and increase their value and reputation so that i can get a bigger return in case i decide to sell them. Second, i release youth players who poorly developed during the last season especially with respect to their physical attributes and mental traits. Using this method of keeping a manageable squad size would maximize the training of the players who choose to keep in your team. If my squad size still push over 30 i usually add more coaches to training specializations (Attacking, Defending, etc.) assigned with more players so that the solitary coach assigned to it wouldn't be overburdened.

2. With respect to tutoring of youth talent, I read in one post that:
a) Role Model option will only work when the TUTOR has attributes in DETERMINATION, INFLUENCE, and WORK RATE HIGHER than the PUPIL in all those 3 attributes. Not only 2 or 1 but all three. I tried a tutor with the same determination as the pupil but with higher influence and work rate but after the tutelage both of them were unhappy due to personality differences. I noticed that the personality of the both the tutor and the pupil are irrelevant in making this option. The effect of the tutoring is that the tutor passes on to the pupil is PPMs and his mental attributes thus changing the latter's personality similar to the tutor. This is an effective tool if you want to have a squad with same personalities as it substantially affects the team's flow of play on the field.

b) Adopting senior's mental approach to the game option will pass the mental attributes of the tutor to the pupil. This works only when the TUTOR has HIGH determination AND professionalism than the pupil. I usually assign as a tutor those players with those attributes WITHOUT PPMs to change the personalities of the pupil to that of the tutor.

c)Learn from player option can be used as long as the tutor has PPMs even if the pupil has high attributes abovementioned than the tutor.

** A reminder, however, that there are some youth players who refuse to be tutored. So after several tries the pupil doesn't benefit from the tutoring, this is an indication that the youth player is hopeless to be educated by anybody.

I also noticed that tutoring ends when the player reaches the age of 23. So to maximize the training and the tutoring of youth players, i usually send them on loan for two years when they reach 18 (unless they are your wonderkids or upcoming youth talent which i keep in my squad for more personalized training) to gain first team experience and not to overburden my coaches and at age 20 i put them on tutoring.

SSN

is it true that tutoring also adds positional play???

Lathund

In the cases where there are poor facilities, you might not see the effect in stats (Except for Influence, Bravery and other stats only influenced by CA and not training) until he gets home to your club and trains there for a month or two. But the improvement can still be there. It's the first team experience that improves their CA, training has little to do with it. The CA may increase, but the training is too poor to improve the attributes to "fill up" the new extra attribute points that are available. But when he returns to you, that will be filled.

That being said, it's possible that the quality of facilities has an effect, but the primary concern should always be to make sure the youngster comes to a club where he'll get to play, and that the league that club plays in isn't too easy.

Dayle Wood

Sorry I have not been on the site for a few months - life got in the way - so this template never got going by me but seems to have tken a life of its own so grateful to those (if not a little surprised) that have kept good dialogue going.

james_banyard

Going to raise up an old thread here...

In regards to Littlemoe's points on tutoring, I have taken all of my reserve side (no-one in my reserves is over the age of 20) and assigned them all to tutors who play in the same position and have better stats in influence, work rate and determination. I tried setting them all to Role Model and so far (a month in) 2 of the 11 have come back with messages saying that they have learnt little and will stop learning from them.

This is the first time that I have tried tutoring and was wandering whether it's just because I have two awkward players or whether there is something I have missed.

Dayle Wood

I believe players personalities is quite important. They need to be compatible... and therein lies the problem. Which personality types compliment each other?

rashidi1

Player personalities do play a big part in the game as a whole, it affects everything from tutoring to tactics and media effects.

Law_Man

Question about tutoring. I've just started a game with Everton using the Weegie Update and so I have Manuel Fernandes in my squad. He's only 20 and he's described as a wonderkid. I want him to be tutored by some of the more determined experienced players in the squad such as Cahill/Carsley but when I click on his player interaction screen there's no options for tutoring him/linking him to a senior player. Could anyone explain why this can sometimes be the case????

As an aside, I've often noticed that sometimes if there aren't any tutoring options available when you click on the youngsters player interaction screen (as in the above example) this can be resolved by moving the youngster from your first team to your reserve team and moving the experienced player from your reserve team to your first team. However, in this case I've done that and Fernandes still doesn't have any options to be tutored by anyone.

catennacio

Sorry I'm off topic a little bit. What is a chance for you to get "One of the best players to come through the ranks in recent years." or "Could be one of the best players of his generation"? My Milan 's youth academy is state of the art but I never got those kinds of comments. I always have "One of the better players this year.".

Is there anything else that matters?