chaos0211

Assuming all my coaching staff are brilliant, I tend to put my youth (along with the rest of the first team) near the first notch of medium. I think young players definately are still developing physically, but you can't teach pace for example.

You also have to be careful not to try and over train the physical aspect of a youngster, I know in the real world Michael Owen for example just did too much of the physical side as a youth and is knackered now.

So I concentrate more on the technical side, cause I believe the physical can be picked up via playing games.

As for loaning, I don't bother if my player is only 16 for example. Much better to wait until 19-20. If he's good enough just slot him into your team then.

retired_lorena2008

Tutoring Tips #2:

- A very odd thing about tutoring, I find, is that it's always a game of chance. If you save regularly and then reload after you find message: "Player X gains little form Player Y" then there os a great chance that it won't occur and your youth player's mental will turn (in varying degrees) into the tutor.

- Even if in the beginning the younger player is "Unsure over benefit" if tutored by Player Y, you can still have a succesfull tutoring.

- Sides of play (left, right) doesnt matter in my case of fullbacks tutoring (Miguel tutor Bale, and Pasqual tutor Eduardo Ratinho). Bale and Ratinho ends up having "Runs with ball down RIGHT and LEFT". What also didn't matter is language (counter-intuitive) right?

- You can't have contradicting PPMs on one player (this is something the programmers did a very good job!). For example, Huddlestone has PPM "Doens't dive into tackle", then I tutor him with Poulsen with 2nd option. He has every PPMs that Poulsen has, and Poulsen's mental, except Poulsen's "Dives into tackles".

- It is hardest to have role model someone with: Model Professional, Born Leader, and Perfectionist trait. Other than that, I can't have the odds due to the long time it would take to see tutoring's effect.

- Can you teach a young star(Podolski) with an experienced player (Klose)? You certainly can. Just don't get Podolski straight into the first team after you buy him. In my game, Podolski's age is 23, and Klose 30, they're both stars in their own right. Podolski picks up Klose's moves very rapidly. In case of other players like Aaron Lennon, I am currently trying to get him not playing and getting him squad rotation status. I hope I can tutor him cos his PPMs is very few.
@Dayle Wood:
I give him the 2nd option (Pekhart and Klose).

retired_lorena2008

Go read this to see how young ones reaching their potential.. pls post more comments.

retired_rp4jc

Originally posted by Dayle Wood:
Tips regarding sending players out on loan

From my experience the quality of the training facilities doesn't matter at all when sending players out on loan. If the club who loaned them has worse facilities than you the only difference is that on their return their stats will improve more. Imho 2.(getting first team experience) is the most important part as the quality of the league the loaned players are playing in.

I agree with that, but you gotta be careful. I don't know if it's a bug, but quite a few times your loaned player ends up playing regularly for the first team despite the promised 'cover for the first team'. It also happens (although less often) the other way round - promised first team place and the youngster just gets a few minutes in the 2nd half now and then.
So it's definitely worth checking out the loaning team first, to see what players they already have in the particular position - also if the formation(s) suits your youngster.

Regarding tutoring, I almost completely stopped doing it, since there is as mentioned before luck involved and the consequences of a failed tutoring can be nasty.

PPMs dont have priority for me, more important are the changes to mental stats and the youngster playing more consistently.

I would like to see SI change tutoring. If tutoring is not successful, the time invested should just be wasted and NOT disrupt the harmony in your squad and make the tutor AND the youngster hate you and each other.
That's the reason I'm hardly doing it atm.

retired_mthead

Some advice Gentlemen if you will...

I have 2 players in my squad who are 'Model Professionals'.

I would like them to tutor young players but in my experience it is preferable to match personalities between tutor and student.

However, young players are rarely/never model professionals - so to whom (ie. which personality) is it safe to have tutored by 'model pros.'?

retired_hope

Hi James,

If you have a player who is a model professional, all that means is they have a professionalism rating of 20. A professional is 18-19 and 15-17 is fairly professional.

In my experience it would be fine to use either of these players as pupils for you model pro, he may even make these players model professionals.

retired_chriskopcha

faisal rakun, does it mean that if i have lennon learning from a left winger who has a PPM of running with ball down left he will learn running with ball down right????

retired_Siwash

It depends. If the player starts of with a very low CA, then he'll benefit greatly from simply being coached by your top coaches and playing in the youth team. Any player 18 or under will most likely still develop there. But when they become good enough to play in Serie C1 or Serie B, then they'll also develop further by playing there.

I've heard it said, but I don't know for sure, that it's fine to do that as long as you immediately rest him when he gets the "Jaded, in need of a rest" message. It's only when you play him when jaded that happens. But like I said, that's only what I've heard. I'd personally only risk it if I had noone else to play. I try to let a promising 18 year old start 1/3 games and get subbed on in most of the others. Seems to give them enough experience without ever coming close to being jaded. But it's a bit on the conservative side, you can probably play them more without any risk.

I believe that the PA is an overall thing. Meaning that when he's at max PA, one attribute has to go down for another to go up. This wasn't the case in some earlier versions, but I think I've seen posts from SI members say that it's the case now. As the way it was before (Training could increase attributes independent of CA/PA or something like that) players just became too good after some years.

I keep roughly similar schedules all the time, only changing them around a bit if I notice the player not improving in certain key attributes.

Yeah I prefer the technical/tactical ones too. Largely because they're easier to improve, because increasing Aerobic or Strength by one "notch" takes a larger part of the "Training budget" than the other ones. And since you can't train youth players very hard, it's more beneficial to focus on technique. You'll also notice how the physical attributes will increase a lot from 16 to 21 on a youth player, even if he trains Str/Aer lightly, to simulate the phsyical growth that takes place naturally.

However I will focus on physical stats they're too poor. I'd also like to add that despite knowing the emphasis on physical stats that the game engine seems to have, I still prefer the more technical approach. Might not be the best approach to reach success, but I play the game my way, according to my footballing philosophies. If that makes success harder to achieve, then so be it. At least I did it my way.
If you can find the right match.......tutoring is VERY effective. I have had a few players increase drastically during a tutoring period. I tend to find if you use a big name star who is well respected in your team and throughout football, then regardless of personalities, it will work.[/QUOTE]

retired_srflowers2002

I somehow go the opposite way. As the technical attributes are easy to improved/trained even the player get mature, i will focus on physical training while the player were young. For some position such as DC or FC, no matter how technical they are without decent physical stats [DC without jumping, FC without pace or jumping] they just wont work well on top level.

Also, if we look at the default young training we can see they are focus in fitness training as well.

aby

Dayle, I was checking this out. I am playing Hartlepool in the 2013/14 season and have by now built up a solid stable of players from home and abroad. I also have state of the art training and youth facilities withe top notch coaching. I have a bunch of young players that I have sent out on loan for experience as starters.

I always figured that sending them out to a club to start on a first team rather than play on Under 18, Reserve or sit on the bench was the better way to develop them.

I am wondering a little now as some of them have not developed as well as I had hoped (though others have turned out just fine).

Have you found that sending them to teams with lesser facilities is actually worse than keeping them at home on the 18s or Reserves?