A total lack of logic

retired_janellewood86 · 08-20-2007, 12:10 AM

I would bet that most of the people that came to this forum came here looking for help, not to effuse about the game. I know I did.

This forum is now full of people complaining about the game. This would surely make people more likely to feel like they could complain rather than make them less willing to come forward?

Did you come to this forum just to talk about tactics, or did you come here looking to make better tactics because you weren't entirely satisfied with what you had before? I know that you've been playing the game a long time when the game was, for want of a better word, "easier", but I'm willing to bet that most people who first came here in the FM (as opposed to CM era) are here because they weren't satisfied with what they had.

Dissatisfaction leads to us asking why we're doing badly - which can lead to use latching on to conspiracy theories.

I doubt with the climate of these boards (which are full of complaints on all of the sub-sections) that people are shy about complaining.

What I will concede is that the number of people who think the game cheats is high, but I don't think the true figure is as high as that. Doubly important is the fact that just because they believe it cheats doesn't mean it does.

retired_kellyk · 08-20-2007, 02:21 AM

1. The no of people who claim the game cheats vs the proportion of SI members is very low.

2. There have been adequate avenues to express yourselves, the SI game designers have asked for more information to improve the game.

3. Everyone including myself admit the feedback system needs improving, and I can say one thing for sure, the feedback system for FM2008 is definitely way better than FM2007.

4. Some areas of the game definitely need improving. Does the game cheat? No, is it possible for the average person to know the full effects of all he does, never.

5. Is 4 realistic, I should think so. Look at Man United's start to the season, how on earth could a team that had 10 corners vs Man Citys none lose to a team that hardly threatened. Even Fergie post match wondered, stating he was happy with the chances created, and couldn't explain why his side couldn't beat them. Look at pool, last night, they outclassed a chelsea side which for some bizarre reason decided SWP was better off playing deep. Bad refereeing decisions gifted the blues a point when they deserved none. Is real life unpredictable yes, could you explain why that all happened? No.

6. Does the game have an over-riding imperative to cheat no. Will future threads like this be entertained in this forum. NO. My word is final, if anyone decides that the game needs improvement or that the game is cheating. Take it up in GQ. This is the last time I will allow a thread such as this. I was hoping for a constructive discussion on how you could improve the game instead the only constructive ideas that this threw up were my own.

If you guys want to complain about the match engine, do it somewhere else, if you want to come together to improve it, by putting up pkms and detailed suggestions on how the game can be improved, then there is the GQ forum. It's a forum where you can easily find members of the SI community.

retired_anyreg1 · 08-20-2007, 02:54 AM

rashidi1, am I tired of reading your posts when they are full of annyoing "question followed by an answer" sentence structures? Most definitely yes.

To the OP (who is banned

), the game is random as hell but by tweaking your tactics, you really can make it less random. In earlier FMs you could just stick to one tactic and do fine on all occasions. Now you must hold the players' hands all the time. The "masterminds" on the forum have some really good threads but it's somewhat hard to see what your tactic is really lacking.

I'm currently in Championship with Lincoln and I have been doing well starting with an attacking 4-4-2 at home, "normal" 4-4-2 away. I have been lucky/good enough to score the first goal in every game, after which I have changed to a counter-attacking 4-4-2 (a tweaked Minimal_FuSS tactic). After that the opponents haven't really been able to break my defence while I have continued scoring. 7 games, 7 wins, 16-2 G.D. I have been a bit lucky in two matches but the point is paying more attention to tactics definitely pays off.

retired_kellyk · 08-20-2007, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Merc:
rashidi1, am I tired of reading your posts when they are full of annyoing "question followed by an answer" sentence structures? Most definitely yes.

You made my day. Thanks mate

retired_ggrose · 08-20-2007, 08:33 AM

Of course the game does not cheat but it has many flaws within it's game engine which would give 'some' people the impression that it is cheating. To think that SI would produce a game that 'cheats' it's customers is laughable and would not make any sense at all especially when they have great rivalry with Championship Manager.

It seems to me what is really lacking and badly needed is a much better feedback as to explain just exactly what sliders do what so that the average gamer can read up and at least have some enjoyment from the game that he paid for so in my opinion SI are at fault and I am sure that the only reason that FM2008 has a grealty improved feedback system is due to the amount of people complaining on here so KUDOS to you guys. :thup:

I really do hope that they concentrate on the game engine for FM2008 so the stupid errors such as the GK constantly kicking the ball to the midfield when he has been instructed to pass to a defender or the defender deciding to run up the field whilst the keeper has the ball and should be in position to receive the ball.

I have to agree with Rashidi with his comment about how we can improve the game as a discussion as this would greatly help in assisting SI with the development of FM2008. So here guys I have an idea why not list all the faults that you have found tactically within the game engine and from that list maybe people will be able to help on how to avoid those things and/or if not at least we have something constructive to present to SI so if FM2008 is much the same then they will have no excuses as to why they have failed and then we can start to think that maybe they are starting to take less interest about the quality of the game and more about the cosmetics of it.

retired_kellyk · 08-20-2007, 08:53 AM

FYI, in the last couple of months, I've identified areas of the game engine that need work by providing detailed reports which can only be obtained by playing matches in full.

Areas that I know have been addressed, include:
Forward runs,overlapping runs, feedback, closing down.

retired_ggrose · 08-20-2007, 09:17 AM

Hi Rashidi slightly off topic but I am 'nonleague' but for some reason I cannot seem to access the forums using my old id since they updated the forums as it says it is not recognised so that is why I created this new id. Anyway moving on from that below is a list of some of the problems that I have identified in the past and have since found:

Defenders having better positional awareness.
To see a visual effect of the D Line.
Goalkeeper to follow distribution instructions.
Strikers missing too many one on ones.

These are just a few to mention and hopefully the rest of you can start to list the faults that you have found tactically so that between us all we can hopefully start to narrow it down to what are faults within the game and what are errors within 'our' tactics.