A total lack of logic

retired_mgavlick · 08-10-2007, 12:50 AM

Rashidi: SE Asia (forget where: Jakarta??)

Arteta: Washington DC, US

Millie: (UK)

wwfan: Sydney, Australia

No problems for a network game there

retired_jacque90 · 08-10-2007, 12:59 AM

I'll referee from the middle of the Atlantic. It's international waters.

retired_ggrose · 08-10-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by wwfan:
Rashidi: SE Asia (forget where: Jakarta??)

Arteta: Washington DC, US

Millie: (UK)

wwfan: Sydney, Australia

No problems for a network game there

Ok point taken and really no disrespect meant so maybe one of you could upload a saved game that you have to share with us all how easy you have conquered FM?

retired_ggrose · 08-10-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by arteta is god:
a. We have anything to prove to each other. We are not out to 'harm' one another.
b. People are of differing time-zones. Impossible.
c. We all have about 10 minutes a night to spare. A season would not be finished until FM 2011.
d. Disagreement is not tantamount to disrespect.

If you all only have 10 mins a night to spare how csn t you all know what all the sliders do and spend so much time testing extensively?

This is no dig at you Arteta in fact im actually in your corner for your arguements that you present. :thup:

retired_HAdvocate · 08-10-2007, 01:34 AM

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The D Line does not show a visual effect on the 2d match

Alibog: it may not appear that way but any given situation does happen in a match (meaning that the ball could end up anywhere on the pitch). So, what you see is maybe the starting point of the situation, which evolves into where your team should push to and how freely. In match stats you can get a pretty good idea if your team are reacting well to the given Defensive Line (tackling%). Pushing further up the pitch or not must have an effect on match stats.

retired_rayrhi · 08-10-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by wwfan:
Rashidi: SE Asia (forget where: Jakarta??)

Arteta: Washington DC, US

Millie: (UK)

wwfan: Sydney, Australia

No problems for a network game there

It would take me a week to work out what time we could all play at once!!!

retired_rayrhi · 08-10-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by alibog:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
a. We have anything to prove to each other. We are not out to 'harm' one another.
b. People are of differing time-zones. Impossible.
c. We all have about 10 minutes a night to spare. A season would not be finished until FM 2011.
d. Disagreement is not tantamount to disrespect.

If you all only have 10 mins a night to spare how csn t you all know what all the sliders do and spend so much time testing extensively?

This is no dig at you Arteta in fact im actually in your corner for your arguements that you present. :thup: </BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, so this was a slight exaggeration. At the max, I have about 2 hours a night: a. I don't get home from DC until 10pm my time, and b. I have a wife. Women require attention. In all honesty, I would like nothing more than to be able to put my feet up and have a network game with the folks you mention. These wonderful 'posters' deserve a lot of credit for their contributions and I am certain that it would be a very tight season. Obviously I would win the league, but the top 7 can make Europe these days—so there would be ample room for everyone

In all seriousness, the theories that are posted on here have been developed over months of playing time, not from playing the game for 10 minutes. The biggest thing that I have learned is that there are thousands upon thousands of ways to succeed. Every game world is different, so of course there are going to be disagreements. I would never flat out tell someone they are wrong, but I am going to open my mouth if I disagree with something. We actually do NOT know what the sliders do exactly, which is why we debate so frequently. There are many interpretations, but not one of us knows for sure. I have never EVER heard any of these guys claim they know everything or anything for that matter. They simply post what their perception of the game is. That's all. Nobody is out to 'out-do' the next guy :thup:

JeffRogers · 08-11-2007, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by wwfan:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
This defensive line theory might well be true, but it sounds like a trial and error discovery, not a logical footballing decision. It may well be that the defensive line slider is significant to the performance of a tactic, but the fact that I can not observe it in-match automatically constitutes it as useless in my mind.

Your free role theory may also be true, but you must have telescopic vision if you can see it happening. I know what a free role is. If you watch Totti, Rooney, Cantona, or Sheringham playing it, you'll see them dropping into the central midfield. Very very rarely do you see wingers playing a free role in football. The free role 'number 10' SS/AM position is a luxury position taken by a luxury player. The free role is POORLY replicated in FM. Even the likes of wingers Giggs, J. Cole, Ronaldo, Joaquin, Vicente, play a disciplined game. Yes, the exception is maybe Messi and Ronaldhino in Barcelona's 4-3-3, but it's certainly not common and requires immense talent in those 3 forward positions. The fact that you claim that a successful team must have 3 players set to free-roles is footballing nonsense. In footballing terms, this would be considered suicide. I would further venture to say that few players in FM have a high free role setting. Surely, setting players to free role with a low free role attribute is as contradictory as having a player with a long shots value of 3 set to long shots?. Free role = roam around the pitch at will and ignore defensive duties. This is the classical meaning of the role. I await your reply.

I changed the d-line in 06 as well and it made a similar difference. It seems to help regain possession and guards against the rapid counter attack. The assumption is, that with a high mentality side, a low d-line will allow for a series of easy passes once you regain the ball as players are spread out rather than tightly knit.

Free role maybe poorly described in the manual. I didn't used to do it but Abramovic's research discovered the AI did. Based on that, I tried it and it made a big difference. In the most attacking formations, wingers rarely need to help out defensively anyway, so it certainly can't do any harm.

@ bob: Hard tackling with wingers won't work well if you are doing everything else badly. If they are narrow and miss the tackle then the whole wing opens up. It's part of the holisitic. I certainly wouldn't do it for a defensive system.

You have argued yourself into a corner with the second quote: I'm lazy and don't use anything except a universal tactic! Well, no wonder the game seems like it is cheating. Do you really think quality managers only have one tactical plan for all games. Again, passing down the flanks is not boring with a well worked tactic. You should see some beautiful moves, but you must have the space to construct them. It may well be boring in a tight formation.

As for my last point, have you really tried that combination? If not, how can you say it doesn't work and everything is scripted? </BLOCKQUOTE>

i dont always use the same tactic but i'll admit i am lazy!

but this tactic has just got me promoted and then 5th in the prem with the only noticable addition of giles barnes and freddie wots his name from southend! with west brom! (freddie top scorer in prem with 34 gls! hint!) so for you to suggest its my fault is ignorant! as i didnt even change timewasting throughout the 2 seasons not to mention everything else!(and that includes beating arsenal and liverpool!) yet when a result went against me it always seemed like there was nothing i could do about it no matter what i tried! and i tried every combination, from match to match! be it man u or palace! i've also had a tac that has won all cups all season without so much as a sneeze! 7 in total iirc! so i think i have a good grasp on tactics tyvm!

and to answer your question i did try it and i still lost unbelievably so....! but if you were right! then that would mean everyone would have to adhere to WWFANS tactic to win anything which doesnt appeal to me in the slightest! as i'd prefer to win on my own! i never download tacs, nor do i read the threads theyre in.

i'm not having a go at you you understand! just the game.

retired_mgavlick · 08-13-2007, 02:22 AM

I'm not saying you have to download a tactic to win, but reading through the better theory threads will enable you to have a better grasp of the match engine. That is what the T&TT forum is for after all.

To say 'the game is scripted' followed by 'I don't change my tactical approach' when playing badly is not going to win you many converts. If you are playing badly, you will lose unless you do something about it. That is why you see the 'scripted' goals. The only matches you 'should' lose are the ones when you are totally outclassed. There is no scripting. It's down to a logical choice of tactic and being able to read the game.

Just arguing that your tactic got you promoted and is thus a good tactic won't get you too far in any argument with many of the more sophisticated users. It is pretty easy to make a good, solid tactic that performs to a certain level. It is much harder to make one that outperforms ultra-defensive formations week-in, week-out. If you work out how to do that, I guarantee you won't see the 'unbelievable losses' or 'scripted super goals' that so irk you. The best way to do that is read the best theory threads. Most of them summarise the best ideas around rather than telling you the 'one way' to play.

retired_kellyk · 08-13-2007, 03:32 AM

Network game moi? No thanks...I'm +8GMT in Singapore 2 days of the week, KL 3 days of the week and Hong kong the other 2 days.

To quote wwwfan..." If you are playing badly, you will lose unless you do something about it"...I totally agree with that statement. The game ain't scripted for you to lose, there is no "one way" to play, there are certainly different approaches. People just need to find the "one way" they understand best.

A total lack of logic

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.

A total lack of logic