Fitness.com
Advertisement

Go Back   Sports Forum > Community > Football Manager > Tactics & Training Tips

Tactics & Training Tips

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.


» Site Navigation
 > Shop
» Current Poll
Best 5 club teams in history of Football:
Liverpool 1977-1978 - 100.00%
1 Vote
Real Madrid 1956-1960 - 0%
0 Votes
Juventus 1985 - 0%
0 Votes
Milan 1989-1990 - 100.00%
1 Vote
Ajax 1971-1973 - 0%
0 Votes
Santos 1962-1963 - 0%
0 Votes
Torinho 1940's - 100.00%
1 Vote
Ajax 1995 - 0%
0 Votes
Flamengo 1981 - 100.00%
1 Vote
Benfica 1961-1962 - 100.00%
1 Vote
Total Votes: 1
You may not vote on this poll.
» Stats
Members: 48,627
Threads: 84,987
Posts: 1,031,253
Top Poster: Rindalik (4,430)
Welcome to our newest member, cheapshoeschina
» Fitness Shop
If you register for free, you will be able to post threads, vote on polls and lots more. If you have problems with the registration or logging in, please contact the administrator.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-24-2007, 06:41 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #221
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 0
arteta is god is on a distinguished road
Default

Can you please change me to a YES
arteta is god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 07:33 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #222
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 78
Rep Power: 4
Leroy1883 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by arteta is god on 30th July 2007 at 19:25
I am somewhat undecided, but for the sake of this thread, I would technically say YES.
Quote:
Originally posted by arteta is god on 19th August 2007 at 7.25:
Leroy: I urge you to place me in the 'I don't know' segment. My definition of 'cheating' is still not so clear to me.
Quote:
Originally posted by arteta is god on 21st August 2007 at 17:41:
Can you please change me to a YES
With all due respect you seem a little undecided yourself, you were originally a yes and then asked to be change to maybe now you want to be a yes again.
Leroy1883 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 07:37 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #223
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 329
Rep Power: 7
Cleon is on a distinguished road
Default

I got a question for everyone in the yes list.

Why do you all still persist playing a game that you thinks cheat? For me I cannot understand the logic in it. If I thought the game cheated then I woulnd't play it and would find something that would interests me more.
Cleon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 08:57 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #224
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 0
Goober is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree with Cleon!

i have played plenty of games in the past that i have thought cheated however after getting advice from freinds and forums i have always found it to be something im doing wrong or not doing.

The main thing i have found with this game is to ADAPT, ADAPT, ADAPT. Adapt to the situation you are in.

Learn to do that and you may start to enjoy the game without thinking it cheats.
Goober is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:01 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #225
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 0
arteta is god is on a distinguished road
Default

LEROY: Because I started to have faith in the game again, but now it's gone. Applying the word 'cheat' to an algorithmic program is ridiculous, but for the sake of this argument I am a definite YES. Cheating in this sense refers to:

1. One shot one goal syndrome
2. Merciless AI regardless of team/ability
3. The infamous 4-2-4. Reading recently switched to this in the 29th minute after I was 2-0 up. They scored 3 in quick succession then reverted back to a 4-4-2. Clearly, it's a 'cheat' tactic adopted by the AI in order to get goals. It's far too effective, and since it doesn't work for us, it's cheating.
4. The infamous 5-4-1 brick wall formation that can keep out goals infinitely regardless of team/ability. Try playing defensive away to Arsenal or Man Utd and you'll usually concede in the first 10 minutes. It's not possible to defend effectively in this game.
5. Profound lack of feedback. There are so many variables other than tactics now that affect the outcome of a match, that it's impossible to nail down a problem, hence the fact that there are still tactical threads open still asking for fundamental answers. The answers can not be given because NOBODY on here knows them. If you say you do, you lie. The x-factor is too great. All this forum is, is a huge mass of theory. And the fact that people constantly claim that people's theories don't work shows how much randomness and inconsistency there is in the game. Of course, people will always claim that it's 'different from team to team', or 'it's simply a guideline.'
6. Ludicrous mistakes and goals that have no relevance to the match. It seems as thought the engine is trying to tell you that something is wrong, but it's impossible to say what since watching the full match reveals very little, and it's simply not football to set up a system to 'avoid mistakes.' Often it feels that tactics are irrelevant since outside variables create ridiculous goals and events.
7. Pathetic manual and 'broken' sliders. The fact that we still don't know what each slider does constitutes a massive problem. The defensive line slider does nothing, and we still don't know what creative freedom or free role does because it's simply not observable in full match mode.
8. New players ALWAYS getting injured.
Flamini: 3 months
Delgado: 5 months
Pizarro: 2 months
Jankulovski: 3 weeks

I am sure I have missed something.

CLEON: Why do I play the game? because I can overlook all of these poor poor flaws. Obviously, these things are not happening constantly, otherwise the game would be unplayable, but they do occur at different moments in time. Sometimes I am unstoppable and go on massive winning streaks, but it doesn't mean anything to me. It's a hollow feeling because I know that I could just as easily be on a massive losing streak and be none-the-wiser. That's the fundamental problem with the game — the feeling of randomness due to no feedback. My brother just finished our second season. I finished a respectable 10th after my dreadful start with the Toon, and he finished 1st with Everton after a poor first season. Along the way he beat Man Utd 5-1, me 5-0, and Arsenal 4-0. he has no idea why. His team isn't that good either. I've said it before, I'm an FM fanatic, but 06 was a better game by miles — at least it was much more fun than this version. In all my time playing these games, I have never heard of so many disgruntled fans. There is a clear divide with this version and with this fact, it can't be denied that there is a problem somewhere. I don't care if you've never lost a match and find the game easy (I'm not referring to you personally :thup, it simply can't be denied that people are struggling with this version. And the bid problem is this: NOBODY KNOWS WHY.
arteta is god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:13 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #226
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 111
Rep Power: 3
Bluenose_92 is on a distinguished road
Default

it doesnt cheat in the rawest sense of the word.

but i personally feel it does everything arteta said. The AI works too efficiently at countering tactics so for me it is a yes.
Bluenose_92 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:27 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #227
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 78
Rep Power: 4
Leroy1883 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by arteta is god:
LEROY: Because I started to have faith in the game again, but now it's gone. Applying the word 'cheat' to an algorithmic program is ridiculous, but for the sake of this argument I am a definite YES. Cheating in this sense refers to:

1. One shot one goal syndrome
2. Merciless AI regardless of team/ability
3. The infamous 4-2-4. Reading recently switched to this in the 29th minute after I was 2-0 up. They scored 3 in quick succession then reverted back to a 4-4-2. Clearly, it's a 'cheat' tactic adopted by the AI in order to get goals. It's far too effective, and since it doesn't work for us, it's cheating.
4. The infamous 5-4-1 brick wall formation that can keep out goals infinitely regardless of team/ability. Try playing defensive away to Arsenal or Man Utd and you'll usually concede in the first 10 minutes. It's not possible to defend effectively in this game.
5. Profound lack of feedback. There are so many variables other than tactics now that affect the outcome of a match, that it's impossible to nail down a problem, hence the fact that there are still tactical threads open still asking for fundamental answers. The answers can not be given because NOBODY on here knows them. If you say you do, you lie. The x-factor is too great. All this forum is, is a huge mass of theory. And the fact that people constantly claim that people's theories don't work shows how much randomness and inconsistency there is in the game. Of course, people will always claim that it's 'different from team to team', or 'it's simply a guideline.'
6. Ludicrous mistakes and goals that have no relevance to the match. It seems as thought the engine is trying to tell you that something is wrong, but it's impossible to say what since watching the full match reveals very little, and it's simply not football to set up a system to 'avoid mistakes.' Often it feels that tactics are irrelevant since outside variables create ridiculous goals and events.
7. Pathetic manual and 'broken' sliders. The fact that we still don't know what each slider does constitutes a massive problem. The defensive line slider does nothing, and we still don't know what creative freedom or free role does because it's simply not observable in full match mode.
8. New players ALWAYS getting injured.
Flamini: 3 months
Delgado: 5 months
Pizarro: 2 months
Jankulovski: 3 weeks

I am sure I have missed something.

CLEON: Why do I play the game? because I can overlook all of these poor poor flaws. Obviously, these things are not happening constantly, otherwise the game would be unplayable, but they do occur at different moments in time. Sometimes I am unstoppable and go on massive winning streaks, but it doesn't mean anything to me. It's a hollow feeling because I know that I could just as easily be on a massive losing streak and be none-the-wiser. That's the fundamental problem with the game — the feeling of randomness due to no feedback. My brother just finished our second season. I finished a respectable 10th after my dreadful start with the Toon, and he finished 1st with Everton after a poor first season. Along the way he beat Man Utd 5-1, me 5-0, and Arsenal 4-0. he has no idea why. His team isn't that good either. I've said it before, I'm an FM fanatic, but 06 was a better game by miles — at least it was much more fun than this version. In all my time playing these games, I have never heard of so many disgruntled fans. There is a clear divide with this version and with this fact, it can't be denied that there is a problem somewhere. I don't care if you've never lost a match and find the game easy (I'm not referring to you personally :thup, it simply can't be denied that people are struggling with this version. And the bid problem is this: NOBODY KNOWS WHY.
I'll take that as a yes then
Leroy1883 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:34 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #228
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 0
arteta is god is on a distinguished road
Default

This is what my brother just emailed me at work. I asked him to keep me updated for the last games of the season:

CHARLTON L 3-2 ROBBERY
ARSENAL UEFA L 3-1
BORO L 1-0
ARSENAL UEFA W 2-1
READING L 4-3 THEY SCORED 2 IN THE 90TH MIN
BOLTON L 3-1 ANOTHER RED CARD
MAN UTD W 4-2
BIRMINGHAM W 3-1
LIVERPOOL W 2-1

BY YOU BEATING UTD YOU PUT ME TOP AND I WENT ON TO WIN THE LEAGUE AND THE FA CUP DOUBLE
YOU FINISHED 10TH AND YOUR TAKEOVER COLLAPSED
OWEN WAS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL
YOU HAD 10 RED CARDS THIS SEASON...A PROBLEM...PROB COST YOU ABOUT 10 POINTS OVER THE SEASON
ALSO, WHAT THE GAME DID TO YOU IN SOME OF YOUR GAMES WAS NOTHING SHORT OF DISGUSTING.

I'd like to add him to the list of YES too
arteta is god is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:44 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #229
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 0
Hammer1000 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Cleon:
I got a question for everyone in the yes list.

Why do you all still persist playing a game that you thinks cheat? For me I cannot understand the logic in it. If I thought the game cheated then I woulnd't play it and would find something that would interests me more.
Cleon, your bang on here with this statement and i cannot come up with a reasonable answer?, i can only say that i love the idea of being a Football Manager and i have followed this game from the outset.

Not clever i know, but there is still a tiny part of me that believes one day SI will get it right and it will have been worth sticking with it?.

I'd still bet my mortgage that FM07 has at least one cheat installed!.
Hammer1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2007, 09:56 PM   FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! Post #230
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1
Rep Power: 0
sillymonkey666 is infamous around these parts
Default

I have to agree with you arteta, i dont feel that it cheats however i do think the game runs in what i can only describe as power plays. what i mean by that is, all of a sudden the oposition starts playing far quicker and sharper against me regardless of the quality they possess/dont possess. at the same time my players stop playing football and boot it out the park even when under no pressure. this means that a change has to be made to counter it in order to get a result even if the oposition are useless lardasses. i dont think i have ever taken the lead against inferior oposition and their heads have gone down and we went on to dominate. The only time we dominate a game is when we dont score. i installed fm2006 again yesterday and i have started really enjoying the game again, far superior to 2007 in my opinion, altho there are touches in 2007 that are good for example setting multiple international instructions and multiple squad status etc. i think s.i. listened to people claiming the game was too easy in the past and have adopted these powerplays to balance it out. the result is an eratic game which doest give me a feeling of realism
sillymonkey666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Sports Forum > Community > Football Manager > Tactics & Training Tips

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar threads to FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!!
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do you ever cheat on FM08 and go back to a saved game
Do you ever cheat on FM08 and go back to a saved game: So confession time. Have you ever saved the...
reece1973 Football Manager 93 11-08-2007 10:10 PM
The H.A.M. FM2007 Clan Game Thread
The H.A.M. FM2007 Clan Game Thread: After the first attempt at a HAM FM2007 Clan game...
gillesam Football Manager 123 10-26-2007 11:28 PM
Does this game CHEAT?
Does this game CHEAT?: It seems to me that there is an terribly strong...
neonlights Tactics & Training Tips 230 06-26-2007 05:48 AM
new FM2007 pre-game editor?
new FM2007 pre-game editor?: Anyone knows if there'll be another unofficial FM...
Spurs Revival Skinning Hideout 0 10-18-2006 05:41 AM
Poll: What do you use to continue the game?
Poll: What do you use to continue the game?: Yas, thought of another question. To...
Ter Skinning Hideout 42 11-21-2005 09:11 PM

More threads of moggydave
Thread Date Forum Replies Last Post
The [official?] FM07 make me a better manager thread!
The [official?] FM07 make me a better manager thread!: A lot of threads start on small and idle points...
05-26-2007 Tactics & Training Tips 8 05-27-2007 10:27 AM
Cutting down the oppostion chances.
Cutting down the oppostion chances.: In my 2 latest (perhaps 9th/10th) attempt a...
05-16-2007 Tactics & Training Tips 3 05-18-2007 06:04 PM
My own thoughts - and the importance of running with the ball
My own thoughts - and the importance of running with the ball: Look at these three videos of perhaps the best...
04-29-2007 Tactics & Training Tips 0 04-29-2007 01:03 PM
4-3-3 help. How do you score goals?
4-3-3 help. How do you score goals?: Every time I try a 4-3-3 (2 wingers and 1 FC) I...
03-26-2007 Tactics & Training Tips 6 03-27-2007 01:58 AM
Learning With England - By a novice, for novices
Learning With England - By a novice, for novices: Hey I'm quite new to the forums and FM, having...
02-04-2007 Tactics & Training Tips 6 03-06-2007 01:29 PM

Other threads in forum Tactics & Training Tips
Thread Date Thread Starter Replies Last Post
Playerformation
Playerformation: Not all players play well together.... Try some...
11-18-2007 tobiashensch 3 11-18-2007 12:53 AM
need help from GK instructions
need help from GK instructions: although i never like it i have already accepted...
08-23-2007 ah_fai 2 08-25-2007 10:16 PM
Training for new positions
Training for new positions: This might be a dumb question but how do I train...
06-26-2007 PJBakel 1 06-26-2007 11:41 PM
Feeding my strikers in a 4-2-2-2
Feeding my strikers in a 4-2-2-2: Hey everyone.. The question is as simple as...
02-21-2007 Ebhnielsen 4 02-22-2007 11:20 PM
Sergio Ramos: Is he a problem player?
Sergio Ramos: Is he a problem player?: After winning La Liga with Valencia I decided to...
11-08-2006 mark247 1 11-08-2006 01:05 AM

» Online Users: 180
0 members and 180 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 2,128, 07-21-2008 at 08:27 PM.

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Fitness.com | Weight Loss | Training & Fitness | BodyBuilding | Chinese | Spanish | French | Germany | Italian | Friend Codes |
You are viewing FM2007 - Does the game cheat? A improvised poll - please all have look!!! - Page 23.