retired_curly123

Quoted for truth, 100% agree.

Something else that people don't seem to realise is that managers can't control everything that happens in a real life football game and you shouldn't be able to in FM.

For example, did Sir Alex tell Taibi to make an awful goalkeeping mistake? Did the '94 Italia coach instruct Baggio to miss his pen? Should he have adjusted Baggio's instructions so that he would have scored?

Did the Watford manager tell his players to make all those defensive mistakes or miss the chances they did create? Could he have prevented all those things from happening?

Answer to the above questions is of course NOT.

**** happens in football, get over it, its part of the game, doesn't mean the game is cheating.

As Cleon says, if you get your tactical instructions right then you can always achieve great results in this game.

Many people have achieved great results in FM so why isn't their game cheating? Or does SI only sell cheating copies of FM in certain countries or areas? Do you have to pay extra to get a version of the game that doesn't cheat? Hmm....seriously grow up and quit the unrealistic whinging (by all means moan if you are ****ed off about losing games but don't make up stupid accusations like SI making a game that cheats, its just pitiful).

retired_liveforward

It might not make sense but you would have to live in denial land if you don't think companies add cheats to there game to favour the AI. Why would SI be any different? It certainly makes more sense for SI to deny the game cheats then to admit that it does.

Just because SI have come out and said the AI doesn't cheat, it doesn't mean that is the case, they may give the AI say a 5% advantage on match day, and SI may see that as evening the playing field with the human player, whereas its really just cheating to make the AI better.

retired_mgavlick

Cleon: Nope the game doesn't cheat, its just some people dont understand the instructions still. And rather than analyze a tactic and see exactly why it doesn't work its easier to blame the game mechanics. Most things tactic related what go wrong in a game is explainable if you delve deep and take a look, but most people dont want to spend time doing that. However mistakes and off games do occur on the game, so if a rare result happens then thats just football and you have to deal with it.

But if it happens regularly then its a fault with your set up, it must be. If the game cheated then all users would notice it and not a small few....


Perfectly stated. it's a case of 'the fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves'.


Hammer1000: Popper's falsifiability. 'Nuff zed? I think it's been my standard response to your empirical observations for so long that I have memorised the book. I long for the day we agree

Scott1990: I sort of agree down the the final statement. There is never a 'can't win game' as long as the two sides are competitively matched. I do agree that streaks are key though, but in terms of trying to maintain them rather than pre-coded destiny.


And FM doesn't cheat.

retired_e_fores

My complaint is that too many of us seem to have faults in ourselves, which may say something about the game. Nevertheless that's another issue, and I should keep an openmind in this thread at least.



So far then:

Yes - 3
No - 9

More votes if we may. Make it clear what your vote is too.

Thanks

retired_hope

No - The game does not cheat. :thdn:

retired_Cat1123

My complaint is that too many of us seem to have faults in ourselves, which may say something about the game. Nevertheless that's another issue, and I should keep an openmind in this thread at least.



So far then:

Yes - 3
No - 9

More votes if we may. Make it clear what your vote is too.

Thanks </BLOCKQUOTE>

or

Realists 3

Show offs and liars 9

retired_FaultyFate

My vote is no.

Luketi

My answer: Maybe.

Since the lack of information/feedback and unconsistency of stats and many other aspects lead to suspects of cheating, I cannot state neither it cheats nor it doesn`t.

retired_rayrhi

I am somewhat undecided, but for the sake of this thread, I would technically say YES.
It is apparent to me that the AI has a distinct advantage over the human player because it knows how the tactical tools work and how to counter your tactic. This is why Watford will often play like world-beaters against you. Due to the lack of feedback and a pathetic excise of a manual, we do NOT have access to the same tools as the AI. At least, we do not know what each function truly does.

On top of that, it's ludicrous that the AI changes its system and formation as often as it does. To me, this is simply its way of 'beating' you. It's just not football.

The shots on goal/goals ratio is OBVIOUSLY weighted in favor of the computer. Hammer and I have tried to show this until we are blue in the face, but constantly we hear the same reply. 'It's your tactics, it's your tactics.' I still think it's nonsense. Even after carrying out a slider experiment and watching games now in full match mode, the same thing still happens. The computer can simply score when it wants regardless of any tactical argument one may have. I think that the programmers have added some kind of 'cheap' system in which the AI 'raises its game', enjoying a performance and accuracy boost percentage in order to eliminate super-tactics. If this is true, it could be called cheating.

retired_rayrhi

REALISTS: 4

SI LOBBYISTS/DEVOTEES: 9