retired_laprudenti

I don't think arteta tactic was at all to blame Richard m8 he said in his post about the AI switched tactic on him hence making his stengh over the tactic the AI was playing a weakness and the AI then scored in a flash this dose happen way to often and the only teams i think should be able get any sort of sucsses playing this way are the very good teams

retired_mgavlick

I think a really solid tactic stops this kind of thing from happening long enough for the manager to make a change. Furthermore, a manager should be proactive and make the right tactical changes before this could ever happen. We know from Abramovic's AI thread that the AI changes tactics after every goal. We should at least have the sophistication to work out how and when to see out a match. At the point the goal was scored, Arteta's tactics were poor. They were likely to be good the rest of the match because the AI went back to defensive mode, which his tactics are designed to overcome.

Is changing tactics an AI cheat? No.

Does it happen consistently enough for us to be able to predict it? Yes.

Is it realistic? I think yes, although many will disagree.

Do goals happen too quickly when the AI does it? Very probably if there is a fundamental flaw in your tactic.

retired_rayrhi

I'll say it again, Sodje was NOT under any pressure. I fail to see how my tactic fell down at a vital moment. What you are implying is that we should be able to predict these errors. What I am seeing is that the AI is able to punish the human at will, regardless of ability or other factors that affect the human user. This was only Rotheram's second shot of the game and second highlight such was my domination. I am not sure how you can continually attribute these freak occurrences to tactics. It is not correct that one has to 'adapt' constantly and continously to prevent events that are impossible to predict. I've mentioned already, this is NOT chess.

retired_mgavlick

It is blantantly obvious he is under pressure, not for the first pass but from that point on. There is no outlet pass and the Rotherham midfield are closing him down quickly.

You continuously choose to ignore analytical tactical discussion in preference to your flawed AI theory. Even if the first pass was not long, it was to a man closely marked. Sodje had no options outside of a) pass to a marked man, b) hoof it, or c) dawdle on the ball. Please inform me as to what he should do. A ball down the flanks is your prefered option, but there is nobody on the flanks, so he is unlikely to try that.

Something went wrong. You say it is an AI cheat, I say it is user error. I analysed why and how and you made counter arguments about the height of the pass (irrelevant) and the impossibility of an unmarked professional footballer under no pressure being capable of scoring from distance (opinion, and in my opinion, muddled, as all pro-footballers will have the basic skill of striking the odd 'from distance' goal). It is not a freak occurance, it is a perfect example of a user tactic failing. The fact that it obviously only happens to you occasionally suggests the AI has no advantage at all.

We don't have to adpat continuously, but at some point we do have to settle for a one goal win and take less risks. I doubt you do that. If you fail to do so, you will see the AI come back at you on occasion and grab a draw from the jaws of defeat.

retired_cindymerc

best thing arteta is to just post your current tactic and let wwfan or rashidi take a look. If they can prove its tactical error then its fine or else your AI theory may be true.

retired_rayrhi

Okay, let us say that my tactics were flawed for this brief moment in time. Considering you have analysed the situation so intricately, pray tell what I could have done to avoid this goal. What would you have done?

retired_mgavlick

Settled for a one goal win and taken less risks. I certainly wouldn't want any situation in which my midfield were so far from my defence, even when I was attacking. It's fine if the other team is playing ultra-cautiously, but as soon as they aren't it is asking for trouble. Way too much exploitable space. I would have tightened the formation circa 65-70 mins in if I decided that the second goal was unlikely to come.

It would be nice of you could at least provide an outline of your tactic so I could make a better analysis of why this happened. I asked for a run-down of your system in another thread.

retired_rayrhi

Sorry, I didn't read that thread yet. I'll post a tactical outline once I get a quick minute.

retired_e_fores

Aside from the debate, could people keep voting .

retired_rayrhi

—I was dominating heavily.
—In the 70th minute, Rotherham changed to a 3-4-3 system to attack.
—In order to counter this, I:
* Set my full backs to no forward runs
* I put side arrows on both my forwards
* I attacked the wings to hit my STs in the channels.
* To implement this, my FBs were set to long passing, my CBs already were set.
* NONE of my midfield 4 were set to forward runs, all rarely except one, mixed.
* My DM was set to defensive mentality, my midfield 3 set to normal.
* Closing down often for my midfield and strikers, rarely for DFs.
* Went narrow since the side arrows gave me width.

As you can see, I countered the opposition logically by adopting a more conservative approach.