retired_elpata

hammer100 - Some of the things that led you to believe this game cheated and screwed you over so to speak, would you say that some of them you might be able to get your head round why they happen now?

retired_rayrhi

CLEON: I appreciate you taking the time to go over Hammer's games, I really do, but I am not sure what you are trying to achieve. My brother just won the league with Everton and he played EVERY match on COMMENTARY ONLY. The level of depth that we are delving here is not necessary I think. Would you say that he just 'struck lucky?' What are your thoughts on his success? He has no idea as to why he won the league. He brought in only Bojinov and Vogel and The rest of the team was the same, yet he won the division after finishing mid to low table the season before. It's these inconsistencies that bother me no end.

retired_elpata

Probably justs truck lucky. Howver reading the other thread you posted it, its clear your brother knows a bit about the game and what works and what doesn't.

I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm just showing hammer100 that some of the stuff he thinks are 'cheats' are not and there are simple things which can be worked on. And hopefully he agrees to some extent

JeffRogers

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supposing you've made the perfect tactic, yet you never see it come to fruition just because theres a setting telling the game that 4-5-1 is best for this team and the 4-4-2 you have created is therefore null! or at least nowhere near as likely to succeed!



It would still be successful it wouldn't hinder it that badly. It might just take a few games longer to get used to the system thats all. Which is perfectly fine and makes sense.


this takes me back to game i had a while ago where i too was newcastle. around xmas i was struggling in midtable using a 4-4-2, so i changed to a 4-5-1 counter and absolutely tore up the league finishing 2 points off the title!

i started the next season thinking i could mix it with the big guns and went back to a 4-4-2 only to find myself in midtable mediocrity again totally frustrated and eventually to start a new game!

only now i find out that it may have been down to my formation and formation alone as to why i failed and simply choosing 4-4-2 seemed to condemn me to failure!


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just another 'flaw' to me to add to the list of what stops you from winning! to go along with 'bad teamtalk', 'wrong weather', 'wrong selection', 'wrong tactic', 'wrong settings'!...
which is it this time?


Everything you mentioned above apart from the flaw, are what stops teams winning in real life so for me its very realistic in that aspect. For example you cannot expect a team who play a short slow tempo game to do well on a wet pitch.

nor do i but it seem when i have reloaded its more down to player selection than other aspects as 1 simple change in personnel creates a massive turnaround in the game im watching, resulting in a huge turnabout in results, changing from a 3-1 loss to a 4-1 win! but how am i supposed to know that i should play my weaker right winger in the upcoming game!

this wasnt a 1 off, i reloaded the game about 10 times as a test in my 1st game of the season and after trying a multiude of changes i noticed that my right winger always played a 6! so i decided to change nothing to do with tactics but only replaced my RM who was a youth player and only there as back up! yet it turned the result around like i said! the odds of doing that pregame all things being equal (as it was!) is miniscule to say the least!

i cant compete with that!

i know you and others will defend this game but i'm willing to bet in years to come this will go down as the worst ever version! although potentially its a 10/10!

retired_rayrhi

Probably justs truck lucky. Howver reading the other thread you posted it, its clear your brother knows a bit about the game and what works and what doesn't.

I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm just showing hammer100 that some of the stuff he thinks are 'cheats' are not and there are simple things which can be worked on. And hopefully he agrees to some extent </BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me try and re-phrase this slightly. I realise that this may have come across slightly condescending. That was not my intention at all, mate. What I am trying to say is this: I can understand your intentions and your analysis is quite impressive, but...

if someone can come along, make no effort at all watching matches, and can get through a whole season playing just one tactic home and away WITHOUT tweaking once, and win the league and cup after having a poor season previous, then what is the point delving so deeply? Clearly the game is not so complex that we need to analyse the intricacies of a formation/tactic. Why did his tactic click? If I opened a thread with our save game, would you be interested in analysing it? Perhaps we could all work through it together and come up with a reason as to why he won the league? Is it possible to grab a save game from a different computer and plonk it on to my comp? I don't see why not. Are the files small enough to put on a zip drive? I can't do it from his house since a. I don't have the time to sit around and post over there, and b. he has a PC, which any graphic designer will tell you, including myself, is a hideous invention indeed. It would be much more efficient to do it on me G5.

retired_Cat1123

In all honesty mate i think that you have an obvious grasp what does and does'nt work to get the best out of the team and tactics you are using and because of this it is possible to find this can reduce the amount of times the game will **** you over!.

I'm still adamant however that these fixes can only do so much and the AI in its infinite wisdom, can still make a mockery of even the most gifted FM07 tactician at will.

I must have started close to 200 games with my beloved Hammers and done tests galore with the same tactics under different conditions, yet the outcome is almost always identical?.

For instance...

Started a new game as West Ham, made no signings, did'nt set up training, brought in no new coaches, set Ass Man to team talk etc etc and finished the season in 4th place and made the FA Cup Final.

Started a new game as West Ham, made no signings, did'nt set up training, no new coaches and this time took on team talks with help from the relevant thread. Finished 7th and had no Cup runs.

Started a new game as West Ham, brought in only quality signings, set up training, set up coaches(all 4-5 stars) and set Ass Man to team talk. Finished 6th and made the QTR Final of the FA Cup.

Started a new game as West Ham, brought in only quality signings, set up training, set up coaches(all 4-5 stars) and took on team talks with help from the relevant thread. Finished 8th and won the Mickey Mouse Cup.

Now take into consideration that i have done the above over and over and over again(amounting to around 200 starts or more)) and yet there has not been ONE significant difference in our overall performance, in fact the best season i ever had was when i interfered the LEAST?.

This is why i believe what i state has to carry so much merit and at the end of the day, you cannot beat the facts.

retired_elpata

Probably justs truck lucky. Howver reading the other thread you posted it, its clear your brother knows a bit about the game and what works and what doesn't.

I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm just showing hammer100 that some of the stuff he thinks are 'cheats' are not and there are simple things which can be worked on. And hopefully he agrees to some extent </BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me try and re-phrase this slightly. I realise that this may have come across slightly condescending. That was not my intention at all, mate. What I am trying to say is this: I can understand your intentions and your analysis is quite impressive, but...

if someone can come along, make no effort at all watching matches, and can get through a whole season playing just one tactic home and away WITHOUT tweaking once, and win the league and cup after having a poor season previous, then what is the point delving so deeply? Clearly the game is not so complex that we need to analyse the intricacies of a formation/tactic. Why did his tactic click? If I opened a thread with our save game, would you be interested in analysing it? Perhaps we could all work through it together and come up with a reason as to why he won the league? Is it possible to grab a save game from a different computer and plonk it on to my comp? I don't see why not. Are the files small enough to put on a zip drive? I can't do it from his house since a. I don't have the time to sit around and post over there, and b. he has a PC, which any graphic designer will tell you, including myself, is a hideous invention indeed. It would be much more efficient to do it on me G5. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't have to delve deep into tactics and this is something I have said a fair few times. You can have great success without too much effort. But for this you need a decent understanding of what works and what doesn't. Once you got a decent tactic then there is no need to tweak constantly during games etc and its quite easy to not change anything during games.

The expectations for your brother will have dropped quite a lot since he had a very bad first season, so teams will play differently against him and he as less pressure on him in games. I can't comment more yet as I don't know about the system he played and players he had. But I got a feeling he played counter attacking...

But if you could get a saved game for me to look then yes I miht be able to give some more answers.

Start again and open a new thread, go into detaiul about the training, tactic and players you buy and I'll see if I can help. Thats if you got the time for that

retired_Cat1123

When's good for you Cleon?.

Can't today as i always watch 3 Prem games when possible(hopefully West Ham v Wigan if the stream works this week?).

Good idea though, will definitely give it a go!. :thup:

retired_elpata

I'm at the match myself today, so anytime tomorrow really.

retired_Cat1123

Here's a couple of recent results since the tweaks Cleon.