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Old 08-24-2007, 11:13 AM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #51
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I always find that for the first half of the season my original squad are finding it hard to gel, yet the tactic will shine through if it is good enough and i can normally finish the 1st season between 4th and 8th.
If you start a new game and players who where bought the previous summer are in your squad. The gam akes this into consideration and still makes it so you need them to gel. If that makes sense? So even though its a new game and you not bought anyone you still might have new players at the club.

But yes if the tactic is good enough it still shines through and you can still do very well even if the players have not gelled properly. I personally just find you are not as consistent as you can be though when this happens.

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Now, my predicted finish will be the same or very close to my 1st season prediction(give or take one or two places), so there is little fear of the re-ranking(if it exists enough to make a big difference) changing the way teams play against me? and i can see that myself, noting that teams start with the exact same formation/settings as season 1.
Re ranking doesn't have a big enough effect to have a massive impact on the results against you team. I saw PaulC mention this in GQ a while back. He admitted reranking of somekind happens but not to a great effect like people assumed on the forum.

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So then i would have to ask, why is it that these cracks then appear, with players suddenly making MORE stupid errors under no pressure, being much more prone to "super keepers" or "the one shot syndrome" etc etc, when all the evidence would suggest that this should happen less, now that the team has gelled wonderfully well and that the tactics, although maybe far from perfect(what is perfect anyway?) are showing us as the dominant force against most/all of our opposition?.
Maybe some players have gotten too comfy and know there place is safe? I know you might laugh but it does happen in games. However if you rotate your squad regular then this shouldn't be the case.

The team as a whole could have bad morale meaning there more likely to do silly mistakes or crack under pressure.

Maybe the training schedule is not effective over a longer period of time? You'd be surpried how much training plays towards winning. If you are playing well and creating chances, then maybe you need to look at your squad and see who's having the shots at goal and check their percentage rate of how many on target off target etc. Then it could be a case of 1 or 2 players needing more specific training schedules to work upon this, to make them bang the goals back in.

I always find the second season hard if I have over achieved. If I under achieve then I am always confident of overachieveing the following seson. Due to there being less pressure on me and the opposition change how they play against me.

Hammer, do you have some pkms you can send me so I can view em? I got a little spare time today and it would be great to see some, as a 2nd pair of eyes might notice something diferent. Its also easier for me to get an idea of what your going through
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:20 AM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #52
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Actually yeah, i'll have a sort out!.

Trouble is, i'll have to go searching as i usually just save screenshots(i have about 10000) of all the weird and wonderful scenarios i'm up against?.

Where do i send em?.
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:21 AM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #53
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Send them to the email in my profile please. I'll then post any findings etc I find
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Send them to the email in my profile please. I'll then post any findings etc I find
I've sent pkm's of 3 recent games in my Arsenal test save!.

I've also sent the tactics i use, tweaked from Rashidi's 424 and a few of his other instructions!. :thup:
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:45 AM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #55
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
Send them to the email in my profile please. I'll then post any findings etc I find
I've sent pkm's of 3 recent games in my Arsenal test save!.

I've also sent the tactics i use, tweaked from Rashidi's 424 and a few of his other instructions!. :thup: </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh excellent, I'll post back in a little while
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:51 PM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #56
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Home tactic - It looks good, but for how wide, fast and attacking you play id personally feel direct passing was a better option and would have more effect. Or a more normal passing at the least. Playing short passing and very fast tempo just doesn't work for me, especially seeing that both are interlinked with one another. I also noticed 4 players with maxed out CF almost. Thats a lot of players in your team ignoring your instructions and using their own brain. Interestingly who is your 2 wingers and 2 strikers? Are they capable of having a lot of creative freedom? I guess I'll know more about your team when I watch the PKM's in a few minutes, just wanted to check your tactic first

Early on I also notice you have both strikers cross the ball often. This is good if you got players making the rund into the box, something I don't see you doing atm. I just used the tactic in one of my games to see if I could get a feel for it and it worked really good. However I think I saw the problems of why you play good yet fail to score. But I'll comment on that after I viewed your game cos obviously the tactic was created for you side not mine.

Arsenal vs. Sheff utd

After 2 minutes I already see a big problem and thats the space between defence and strikers its huge at times. Even though its early on and you are the ebtetr side and dominating this would still be a cause for concern against quick counter attacks. Your playing with almost 4 strikers constantly, which is good going forward but no good on the defence side, especiall if this was a decent side. Rosicky is playing far too close to Vela, he's almost on top of him at times and so far I've only watched the first 2 minutes.

I've now watched 10 minutes and one thing I am noticing is everything is rushed by you. You are the favourites and far superior than Sheff Utd so you should take a hold of this game. I feel you are playing a too fast tempo for this match and thats why your dominating but not doing anything useful ths far with the possession. If you toned the tempo down in this game you'd be 2-0 up now id put money on it. Your getting forward but its too fast paced, if you slow it down the chnaces would be better what you create and more accurate. You are making the space and getting the bodies forward, you just need tot ake the next step now and be more composed.

The first shot you have you score from a freekick.

For opposition corners you only leave 1 player upfield, try letting two players stay up at all times as its easier to break away then and the ball wont be played back into your areaif it should be cleared.

After 17 minutes I checked the stats and Vela as not done anything not even a single pass. There are 2 reasons for this, 1 Hleb is that far forward hes getting in his way, limititng his space. Also Baptista is playing as the rihght striker yet drifting to the left far too much and again getting in Vela's way. Id put this down to a creative freedom issue. So effectively you got a spare playing in Vela who just can't do anhthing because his own team are reducing the space in which he plays.

Batista also seems to drop deep a lot more than Vela, is he set up different in this match? Or is it his creative freedom thats allowing this to happen? Hes going searching for the ball which is good, but when the MC's push up hes getting caught behind the rest of the play.

Your wingers and strikers all seem to playing the same line, meaning if a cross goes in the box it misses em all as noone is arriving late. Id like to see your wingers arrive a little later as this will create quite a few chances for you and could result in goals. This could be due to the forward arrows they have and coupled with the fact a very attacking mentality.


Good play for the second goal, you definetly are playing well indeed.

Are your wingers on easy tacking and told not to press much? It seems like they stand there and let players pass them. They don't make no effort to win the ball at all.

The first half was really good, I am impressed with aspects of this tactic and it looks really good. A few concerns though I have highlighted above. Another thing is your centebacks look a little lost on the ball sometimes, I think this reason is the very low creative freedom they ahve. I think it needs to be a few notches higher so they distribute the ball slightly better and don't dwell too much. I'm not saying give them lots but anything just under normal would be better. Especially as you have good centrebacks who like to bring the ball out of the back and move forward.

Id also like to see Fabergas give up his defensive duties as hes playing really well and creating everything you do. But at times hes running around like a headless chicken when Gilberto could deal with the problem much easier.

Baptista as had a knock for a while now, he doesn;t seem to be moving as freely as he did. Thought about changing him?

I know I mentioned it before but the gap between the fullbacks and the stikers is huge. Its a real problem area this I feel as the gap spreads right to the top of the field at times. I feel United first goal was because of this as your right back was out of position so the wing was more aless free.

Eboue is playing really well, hes just got no support at all in front of him.

A bad pass for United second goal and because your central defenders push up quite high a bad pass like this is always going to cause problems. Both your defenders seem to play higher than your fullbacks at times. Have one of them drop back slightly and it will help for situations like this.

Aye when balls are played over the top the DC's are a bit too advanced. I didn't notice this too much the first half but its more visual this second half.

Luckily Batista wasn't too much of a problem in the end, but on another day he could have been what cost you a game.

What I saw from you was very good but it just needs the minor tweaks I mentioned above. Theres no doubt you look good in parts, but at times because of how attacking you are set out its having a negative effect in areas. This isn't me slagging your tactic off either as it looks really good, its just a few things I noticed.

Hope this feedback helps you. I'll watch one of the other games in a while
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:30 PM   2nd Season Dilemma Post #57
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Appreciate the response Cleon cheers!. :thup:

I'll have to check a few things out as some of what you saw should'nt be happening, if the players are in fact set up as you suggest?.

One important thing i need to bring up, it does'nt seem to matter where i place the slider for the defensive line, they always seem to hover about in the same area?.
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Appreciate the response Cleon cheers!. :thup:

I'll have to check a few things out as some of what you saw should'nt be happening, if the players are in fact set up as you suggest?.

One important thing i need to bring up, it does'nt seem to matter where i place the slider for the defensive line, they always seem to hover about in the same area?.
Do you alter the mentality too? D-Line only comes into play when your in your own half too defending, so check this when you are. Its kinda hard to notice on 07 the impact d-line as, but im sure thats fixed for 08 and you'll notice the impact more.

If you watch the game I replied about above you might notice a few things you didn't before. Always best to have another pair of eyes look as I always miss things too
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hammer1000:
Appreciate the response Cleon cheers!. :thup:

I'll have to check a few things out as some of what you saw should'nt be happening, if the players are in fact set up as you suggest?.

One important thing i need to bring up, it does'nt seem to matter where i place the slider for the defensive line, they always seem to hover about in the same area?.
Do you alter the mentality too? D-Line only comes into play when your in your own half too defending, so check this when you are. Its kinda hard to notice on 07 the impact d-line as, but im sure thats fixed for 08 and you'll notice the impact more.

If you watch the game I replied about above you might notice a few things you didn't before. Always best to have another pair of eyes look as I always miss things too </BLOCKQUOTE>

I made a few changes, as you suggested above and played away to Fulham.

I'm sending you the pkm via e-mail and wonder if you could take a look and report back with your findings?.

The only thing i have'nt messed with YET, is the defensive corner routine and i did'nt make my usual little tweaks when we took the lead and Fulham came looking for the equaliser.

One thing i noticed immediately, was that the back four looked wide open and some better forwards may well have had a field day with the space?.
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I made a few changes, as you suggested above and played away to Fulham.

I'm sending you the pkm via e-mail and wonder if you could take a look and report back with your findings?.
Sure I'll go take a look in a few mins and do a wrote up like before.

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One thing i noticed immediately, was that the back four looked wide open and some better forwards may well have had a field day with the space?.
In the Sheff Utd game or the Fulham one you just played? And do you mean your back 4?

I ask cos I was unsure what you meant but if you mean you then yes I found at times you was a bit spread out and far forward at times. But saying that it sorta worked for you and you did look solid in the Sheff Utd game. The goals you conceeded were more down to your idfield that anything and are easily fixed.
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