retired_kellyk

Everyone chill.

1. This game is just that a game. It isn't an accurate reflection of how the game can be played. Certain things don't work the way we hope because it simply isn't possible to code that much.

2. Since it is a game there are several ways dots can behave, in the real world we can get a variety of movement and this kind of movement can be highly unpredictable. Teams not accustomed to loads of movement upfront have a hard time adapting...derby county in the EPL now is a classic example.

To do the same in the game isn't always entirely possible. There are just too many things to consider, which is why we need to see what works and doesn't using simple principles to get things done.

Freeroles do give a wider array of movement in the SI gameworld. In the real world giving a targetman a freerole would easily create havoc. But in this game it can cause the dots to behave unpredictably. It may also not be possible to get efficient passes through. I wouldn't give the TM a free role in fact i'd even reduce his creative freedom, and enhance that of the supporting striker he's with to create more goal scoring chances.

Personally I don't like using targetmen in the game, they do make things easy, but too often they are predictable. Arteta we understand that you may have real world knowledge about the game and no one is denying or disputing that, but the SI game world is not entirely the same.

For instance if you want a player to string passes magically from midfield, he needs to have good targets upfront, ideally 2 mobile wingers and one static centre as a target and one mobile striker to finish.

If you play with a single striker then you will need him to have good off the ball movement, composure, pace and acceleration to get balls to him for scoring chances.

retired_scriler

I often find the second season very hard. Normaly i make 5-10 signings in my first season.(some in Jan) Then in the 2nd pre season i might make another 3.
The friendlies tend to go well and maybe the first 2 games of the season. But then i just hit this wall. My tight defence starts leaking goals and i just cant get any consistancy.
Amazing things start to happen every game.Dodgy back passes and own goals. Keeper running out of goal and not narrowing the angle. Players hitting 40 yard volleys straight from the goal kick. Bobby Zamora scores a hatrick in the 4 minutes of injury time (against my 5 defenders and 3 dmc's) to give the hammers a 3-2 win away from home.Paul robinson catching crosses :eek: Some times i have played on and had a run of 15 games where i cant get 2 points on the trot and others i have changed to a different tactic.
I have to say changing tactics normaly works for me.
This is a very annoying part of the game for me. If my 3 new players have upset the team then, why didn't the 10 in the first season? Any why does changing to another formation not upset it even more? Your players play 442 for a year then forget how to win. But can instantly change to 433 or 523 and show no problems settling into this formation. I feel there may be some truth in the old "Tactic killer" rumours. I want the game to be challenging and don't want to stroll to the title every season like in the old diablo days. But it has lost its fun when you hit the second season wall. I play the game to have fun and unwind after work, not to get so stressed i want to throw my monitor at the wall. I have not gone more than whole 3 seasons since i brought the game. Last year i had a game that ran for 20 seasons without loseing its fun. ( not that i won more than a few cups. Arsenal and Chelsea were always a bit too strong for my liverpool team)

retired_janellewood86

Arteta and Hammer1000: to be honest I can see why Cleon rubs people up the wrong way, but he does try to help.

I, for one, would like to see a few more PKMs. Hammer has done so in the past (with a couple of his games) and it showed a real insight into the game. In Hammer's case, I could see that he was very error prone on the wings but otherwise had a very solid set of tactics. It's little things that a second pair of eyes can see that you can't that can make all the difference.

You're perfectly free to pooh-pooh any feedback that comes from that or dismiss it out of hand, but I'm really interested in actually seeing the cheat games since they tell you a thousand times more than screenshots of match stats ever can.

And, crucially, they will prove your point about the game being "broken", as if I can see a cheat in a pkm I am more than willing to jump on your bandwagon.

retired_janellewood86

To be honest, you're suffering from the idiots who came before you who either just kept shouting about the game being crap until they were banned or just posted utter tripe.

Makes a change to hear an intelligent case for the game being rubbish (and I sympathise if not accept most of the points you make).

Without wanting to go on and on about it however I would like to see a PKM or two. It's not the be-all-and-end-all but it's all a question of what constitutes acceptable evidence of there being a problem, be it a cheating AI, impossible second seasons etc. etc. etc. I don't personally think stats tell the whole story.

However, I actually like this thread before it descended into banality (which I don't think was your fault), and I am suffering a little bit of second season syndrome myself, so I would like to get to the bottom of it.

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Season 2 at Barcelona. I've lost 2 out of my first 11 league games. And won 3. Lots of 0-0s and 1-1s. So, I agree the second season is a lot harder. Reasons? Constructive suggestions on how to solve these issues? I think I've got the team playing better with a few changes, but I'd like to see what others think.

retired_rayrhi

MILLIE: Did you bring in any new faces for Barca? Did you change your formation/tactics?

Are you witnessing bizarre events happening? Unlikely goals, last minute scorchers, dominating but losing? The reason I ask is because if we are ready to agree that these anomalies occur from person to person, and that they are the game's way of 'communicating' then we can start on the right foot. Both in agreement, which is bloody rare these days. The fact that we are both struggling, and the fact that you are Barca and struggling, in our second seasons means that we are in similar ships. Maybe we could work it out?...

retired_elpata

Right thread cleaned up.

Arteta - Can I see some PKM's please when you can access the game at your brothers? Or maybe you can recreate some of the games if its happening regular to you while at home.

Millie - What changed the second season? How many new players, coaches did you bring in etc. What did you achieve last year? Did you win anything? Overachived, underachieved etc?

retired_elpata

Also, what do you guys do if you see a mistake happen like silly back pass or the keeper kicking the ball long and it coming stright back?

Or do you only watch highlights so if something does happen its probably too late?

retired_rayrhi

Sounds like my games exactly, mate. All I want is answers. I want to know why this happens and how one is supposed to combat it. It takes the fun away when you are eagerly anticipating a new season with new and improved players only to be shot down to earth again after just a few games. if it IS the new signings then we should know, if the AI does play against you differently then we should know. There are so many x, y, and z's that the solution is next to impossible to discover. Should we change tactics because we envision the AI to latch on to us? Should we not sign new foreign players simply because they will upset the team? There's no way of foreseeing the problems without knowing how the game works and it seems that there is no way to combat it since on the pitch all these ludicrous events occur.

retired_slayerbing

Arteta - have you considered personal instructions at all. IF, hypothetically you brought in a Aaron Lennon-type player to replace a David Beckham-type player you can see clearly that they both excell in diferent areas. One can dribble well, the other can't but set up properly both can be lethal in the same position.

It may be that you need to go through your individual settings and ascertain that the instructions are suitable for the players.

Also when you make substitutions you need to ensure that the oncoming player can properly handle the instructions that were for the former player and change any that need changing.

retired_elpata

Thats a lot of people to bring it at one time, so that will have a negative effect for atleast 11 games maybe more. The 2nd season, maybe not depending on how adapatble the players you bought are. If they are in the same mould as the rest of the team then you will be alright.

A good indication of this is the scout report when it tells you if he will need to adapt a lot to fit in, or it telsl you he is in the same mould. If hes same mouldhe should settle in quick, especially is hs got high adaptability.

Dodgey back passes do happen time to time. However if its haeppning often, is it the same player? Or mayb its a different player but trying to pass it to simliar space as before. If its a player, id keep close watch and make a few notes about him in his note pad. Id also check his stats in the player profile and see exactly how many mistakes he is making.

Now if you find its different players but its happening the same place of the pitch then it could be a number of things. Maybe the passing style for these players is either too long or too short and they have noone free near to pass too. It could also be a width issue, the players could be too narrow and too close to each other, or maybe too wide and too far. If this si the case then maybe the passing needs to be more direct, or short depending.

Or it could just be a mistake. But if its a regular occurence then its likely to be one of the above. I feel I might have missed something 'll come back to this in a while if I have.

Whats your keeper setting? Hes either told to close down too much, or his stat for rushing out/eccentric is pretty high.

Did you change anything at all in this game? Do you still got the PKM?

When you say changing tactic, do you mean a complete new shape and settings? Or just alter a few things here and there. Also what time of year do you find you have your worst results?

They will have upset it in some way. But remember that each player is different and might take longer to settle than others. You might also find that some players never fully settle.

Also, what wee your achievemnts in the first season and what are the board expectations this year? This plays a big part too, something a few users don't realise.

I play the same tactic for 14 straight seasons never needed to change the shape ever. What you do have to do though is adapt to certain situations and for certain teams. By this I mean changing things like passing and tempo mainly.