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Old 08-28-2007, 02:14 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #191
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bob123456 - although you have to take into consideration that FM07 is very poor at marking a central striker with a flat back 4. So Ashton is liekly to win many more headers positioned as he is than if he were in a 4-4-2.

I'll be making a New WH topic shortly, keep us going till updates arrive, hopefully Cleon and some others will join me there.
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:35 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #192
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New WH challenge is up, no bitchin and please come join!
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:41 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #193
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Originally posted by Millie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Dribrevil:
<BLOCKQUOTE>If he's playing against Sol Campbell Ashton will be less effective due to Sol's sheer strenght and areial ability.
Maybe you had a three-month headstart of everyone else.

But details like these just escape most casual players. For the newb, questions will arise just from this observation of yours for just a simple league match.

In this case, a newb may have these questions:
(a) If Dean Ashton isn't going to be effective against Sol Campbell, would you have played him from the start and see how it goes or you would have replaced him with someone else?
(b) Who would you replace your lone striker with? What attributes would you be looking for his replacement?
(c) If you don't have players who can be a match for Sol, what would you have done? A change in tactics?

Just from the top of my head, I have already three questions and it's only for a game. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Without wanting to sound arrogant, that was the first thing I noticed. It would have been obvious to anyone looking at the match stats, as their usually high header completed % would be woeful.

So then the logical answers are the following (not what would necessarily work).

(a) With Ashton playing so well this season, I would have played him from the start.

(b) Eddie Johnson has higher strength, jumping and pace, giving him slightly more versatility. See if playing him as TM gives you more luck

(c) Stop lumping balls to Ashton's head.

Now, how you do (c) is the one you'd probably have to ask the real questions about, but for me the previous two questions were pretty self-explanatory.
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Actually, the stats you posted are very similar to ones Cleon posted for his game against Man. City in response to my request. He was able (lucky?) to score, you were not. The only significant difference is Ashton's headers won stat. May be Portsmouth have better DCs than City, or it was Ashton's very bad day. Anyway, to me it's just proof (sort of) that Cleon's tactic is not the best setup to win when playing home against weaker/equal teams who play defensively. But I see no inconsistency.
Agreed. The difference is the "luck", perhaps, that Cleon got in the City game. Don't worry, I'm not laying accusations at people's doors.

Makes sense, though. Micah Richards is a beast in the air, and if he properly marked Ashton out of the game then the stats would be similar.

I would have signed Stefan Iversen myself, though. That guy is an absolute beast. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything you've put and the thing you list are all options id normally look at if I was playing properly. It definetly helps if you can start the season well, the momentum certainly can carry you through games.

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Funnily enough, the tactics i am using AND the in game tweaks i use/d came courtesy of Cleon.

I'm willing to upload the tactics and tweaks if anyone is interested?.

As you can see, i started with a 0-0 draw against Chelsea with very similar stats, which i found quite strange as the tactics i am using for this game are very different from Cleon's?. Anyway, we were mostly outplayed, but not completely and i'm happy enough to take an undeserved point as i wont see many more of them all season believe me.

My second game and subsequent 4-1 win against Wigan looks a tad lucky when you just see the stats, but watching the game tells a different story, as Wigan could only manage shots from distance, whilst we battered their goal from 6 or 7 yards.

The 2-1 victory over City did have an element of luck, as they had an early red card, which we took advantage of. Still City did score with their 1st shot on target and almost got the draw in the dying seconds with their 2nd on target.


The 3-0 win against Sheff Utd saw us get two early goals and take a bit of pressure in the second half and nicking a late 3rd. I changed from the home to the away tactic at ht, which usually does the job and did again.

The 1-0 defeat against Chievo came courtesy of their only shot on target all game, a 30 yard free kick, whilst at the other end their keeper played a blinder and had a 10 rating at HT.

Our 1st league defeat came off the back of our 1st defeat of the season. We had the early pressure and chances, but it was Villa who took the lead, again with their first shot at goal. Arteta missed a penalty for us, which put us behind at HT despite dominating, so i had to go looking for a goal2nd half, but instead it was Villa who added a 2nd. Our goal was just consolation.

We managed to beat Chievo and go through in Europe, but it was almost panic stations. We led 2-0 after peppering their goal with shots, but they pulled one back, again with their 1st shot of the game, but we managed to score again to qualify.

Since posting these results i have just lost 3-2 away to Blackburn, so maybe its our time to start struggling?.
The Boro game was a nice simple victory, 3-0 no suprises.
You've had a good start to the season, and this can make all the difference come end of the season. The lose to Blackburn might just be a small hick up and a reminder that you still can loose games. My first lost on the game was around the same time as this, but mine was in the UEFA cup and then the league cup game a few days later. As you see we have similarties in both our games already don't we?

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Jesus has Cleon been getting more stick for doing well again?!

Anything is possible people

With 1 squad player signing, I tweaked and tweaked the tactic until quite magically it all fell into place and that's what resulted. Took a couple of hammerings off the big boys, think there was about 5 or 6 defeats and a few draws but I stuck with it, minimised changes unless forced to from a sending off or if I needed to rescue the game.

It proved to me that you can over-achieve massively still without tweaking game-to-game AFTER you've found that winning setup, and I did not cheat either
Buxton you bloody cheat

But yes its true you don't have to tweak much during games at all once you find a good set up.

Hammer1000- when you lost 3 games in a row what was the weather conditions of these games? As you are creating chances I see, just not converting them.

jaycar - FM08 will just mess with you even more
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:35 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #194
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Ohhhh, I usually don’t post on here but this has got my back up….

@Hammer1000,

I’ve got to stick up for Cleon here; he’s been around for a long time and has helped many people, have a bit more respect for people since your negative accusations are not welcome. Why on earth would he go to this much trouble to cheat? It’s absurd! What’s even more absurd is that you start with your own tactic (the whole point of this thread) then deviate from that and ‘copy’ Cleon’s tactic. You have shown you do not have the determination to see this through, If you two were ‘real’ managers the stats would be something like:-

Cleon:
Determination - 20
Tactical Knowledge – 20
Morale – 20
Discipline – 20
Helpfulness – 20
Rudeness - 1

Hammer1000:
Determination - 1
Tactical Knowledge – 1
Morale – 1
Discipline – 1
Helpfulness – 1
Rudeness – 20*

*at least you get a 20 in something Hammer1000 :thup:
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:56 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #195
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Hammer1000- when you lost 3 games in a row what was the weather conditions of these games? As you are creating chances I see, just not converting them.
Dry - 68% passing
Wet - 68% passing
Dry - 63% passing

In all honesty Cleon i've had tactics that see us create 15-20 shots a game and still struggle to score?.

Its always been the case when i play as West Ham, i lose a massive amount of games like the Surs one, whether i tweak or not?.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:57 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #196
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Hammer1000, out of interest, what are your GK settings?
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Old 08-28-2007, 06:03 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #197
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Hammer1000- when you lost 3 games in a row what was the weather conditions of these games? As you are creating chances I see, just not converting them.
Dry - 68% passing
Wet - 68% passing
Dry - 63% passing

In all honesty Cleon i've had tactics that see us create 15-20 shots a game and still struggle to score?.

Its always been the case when i play as West Ham, i lose a massive amount of games like the Surs one, whether i tweak or not?. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Then its a finishing problem you have. You might need to work on this more in trianing for the players who keep missing the chances. If you create 15-20 shots a game, id expect you to convert 1 a game at the very least.

What style of passing did you use for the wet game?
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Old 08-28-2007, 06:12 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #198
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Originally posted by bRAzIL:
Ohhhh, I usually don’t post on here but this has got my back up….

@Hammer1000,

I’ve got to stick up for Cleon here; he’s been around for a long time and has helped many people, have a bit more respect for people since your negative accusations are not welcome. Why on earth would he go to this much trouble to cheat? It’s absurd! What’s even more absurd is that you start with your own tactic (the whole point of this thread) then deviate from that and ‘copy’ Cleon’s tactic. You have shown you do not have the determination to see this through, If you two were ‘real’ managers the stats would be something like:-

Cleon:
Determination - 20
Tactical Knowledge – 20
Morale – 20
Discipline – 20
Helpfulness – 20
Rudeness - 1

Hammer1000:
Determination - 1
Tactical Knowledge – 1
Morale – 1
Discipline – 1
Helpfulness – 1
Rudeness – 20*

*at least you get a 20 in something Hammer1000 :thup:
OMFG ROFL
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Old 08-28-2007, 06:15 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #199
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Lets stop with the insults please and spamming nonesense in here.
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Old 08-28-2007, 06:16 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #200
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Quote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hammer1000:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Hammer1000- when you lost 3 games in a row what was the weather conditions of these games? As you are creating chances I see, just not converting them.
Dry - 68% passing
Wet - 68% passing
Dry - 63% passing

In all honesty Cleon i've had tactics that see us create 15-20 shots a game and still struggle to score?.

Its always been the case when i play as West Ham, i lose a massive amount of games like the Surs one, whether i tweak or not?. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Then its a finishing problem you have. You might need to work on this more in trianing for the players who keep missing the chances. If you create 15-20 shots a game, id expect you to convert 1 a game at the very least.

What style of passing did you use for the wet game? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I had it on the last notch of mixed, just before direct.

Whats weird is i seem to score a lot of goals, but they come in fits and starts, when i really need a goal is the time i struggle the most?.
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