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Old 08-27-2007, 09:20 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #121
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oh and I find it strange that sombody who themselves had a tactic over on FMBritain saying 'they guarentee relegation battlers a midtable finish' and 'any top 6 team to win the league', could be so skeptical over success with WH, who easily fit into that catagory your own tactic didnt turn to be as good as you claimed i guess?
This is actually one of my points fella.

I CAN play this game, i've done so almost non stop since the day of its release.

Yes, i can win the Prem with a top 5 or 6 side 1st season AND stave off relegation for poor sides and maybe grab a Cup along the way.

At the end of the day though, this success is more down to doing enough right for the game to allow you to win and this i can do.


Nobody can stop this game from beating you if that is its decision at the end of the day, if you dont agree with that then PROVE IT!.
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:21 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #122
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by FuSS:
-Actually alot of the top players, myself included, suggest getting a decent assistant manager with 18+ in moral, and using him to do your team talks. 'Sammy Lee' for example, is perfect for the job.

-I too am rushing through and not tweaking just for the sake of this threa,d if i were tweaking I think I'd be doing better. This is WH mate, a decent team with top players and 2 of the best strikers in the game, if i didn't win the prem I'd be disapointed.

-Go look at my tactic thread (all 20+ pages of it) You'll find plenty people who have used my tactic to win the league with teams like WestHam.

-Oh and people who say things like 'you kids' etc tend to be under 20, which is a kid for this game, plenty of over 40's on this forum I assume you.
Are you the creator of the "Minimal Fuss" tactic/s?.

If so mate, i have given them all a try and i was left very dissapointed!.

I am going to write to SI and ask if they can start a new forum for those FM'ers who like to cheat, from what i've seen lately its bound to be busy?.

If anyone actually has the bottle to put their Management credibility on the line, then e-mail me using the address in my public profile?.

Why not prove once and for all just how good you are at the game, lets show the whole FM community?.

Well?. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You are just making a fool of your self at the moment. Why dont you just let it go and just play. It is a game, a game, a game!

Someone gets it and someone dont!
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:23 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #123
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but you can't, because you can't do it with westham, whom are easily in the top 6 on FM (as fm can't live upto their real life unerachieving, injuryprone, lack of tevez...ness lol)
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:24 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #124
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Just ignore him, its obvious hes out just to make trouble no matter what anyone says. If he carries on i'll sort him out.
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:25 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #125
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oh and we have proved it.

we are both number 1 in the league, and you are 13th with a team you guarentee you can win the league with....you've been back trackign and lying the enitre thread.

Now why havnt you been banned for abusive language and childness yet?
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:25 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #126
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Try using the 'Quit Game' option hammer1000, you could go to length as a gamer
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:27 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #127
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can we sart a new WH challenge thread, keep it tidy n simple for all those that want to join in?
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:29 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #128
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Quote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Hammer1000:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by FuSS:
-Actually alot of the top players, myself included, suggest getting a decent assistant manager with 18+ in moral, and using him to do your team talks. 'Sammy Lee' for example, is perfect for the job.

-I too am rushing through and not tweaking just for the sake of this threa,d if i were tweaking I think I'd be doing better. This is WH mate, a decent team with top players and 2 of the best strikers in the game, if i didn't win the prem I'd be disapointed.

-Go look at my tactic thread (all 20+ pages of it) You'll find plenty people who have used my tactic to win the league with teams like WestHam.

-Oh and people who say things like 'you kids' etc tend to be under 20, which is a kid for this game, plenty of over 40's on this forum I assume you.
Are you the creator of the "Minimal Fuss" tactic/s?.

If so mate, i have given them all a try and i was left very dissapointed!.

I am going to write to SI and ask if they can start a new forum for those FM'ers who like to cheat, from what i've seen lately its bound to be busy?.

If anyone actually has the bottle to put their Management credibility on the line, then e-mail me using the address in my public profile?.

Why not prove once and for all just how good you are at the game, lets show the whole FM community?.

Well?. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I did and you accused me of cheating.

So you gonna carry this on forever and get banned or gonna drop it and get on with things? Your starting to bore people now and there complaing about you. So your choice whats it gonna be? </BLOCKQUOTE>

My last word on the matter.

Thats because you did CHEAT!.

Anyone with half a brain can deduce that from the first page or so of this thread!.

Your claims are ridiculous and all you proved was that all you need to do is turn the game on and off enough times to get the result that you want!.

One last thing Cleon, lets start the same game and walk me through every detail, show me the same success as you managed on your own and i will make an apology to the whole FM Community and NEVER post here again!.

Well?.
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:33 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #129
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How is crying "cheat, cheat, cheat!" whenever anyone tries to show that maybe the game is beatable going to help your cause, Hammer? While I agree that it's possible to be sceptical about the game, this blind "no, it can't be done" attitude that you and arteta have showed doesn't help the issue.

For the record, I'm not entirely convinced either way. But, I'm offering some suggestions - simple suggestions is all - to explain some of what just went on.

Hammer: a bit of back up from me here - unlikely source, I know! Read on...

I played that game against Portsmouth, and did very similar to you, Garry mate.



Played well, no chance of scoring. The player ratings for West Ham were pretty poor too. Tevez was slashing at everything, Ashton was anonymous. The tactic looks solid-ish, but certainly not a world beater. However, I still think that Cleon's doing something you're not:



Cleon: Why did you praise Ashton? Were you invited to comment, or did you player interact?

So, why the discrepancy. I thought about this. Part of it is the opposition. Had I been "tweaking", Ashton would have either been taken off or removed from his TM position - his header conversion rate was quite abysmal. Lumping the ball to him when playing against Campbell and Primus was a waste of time. Both were flagged by the commentary in my game ("Campbell is winning everything in the air today").

Stats:



Similar things happened against Manchester United and Dinamo, looking back through the fixtures, but I'm surprised that Ashton played so well against Chelsea.

Here's the thing. Neither game here has proved anything. For a start, I noticed problems straight away in Cleon's tactic and find it hard to believe that he has made no changes (however slight) since game one. Cleon, what would you do in this situation - would you have taken the 0-0, or sorted out those poor performances?

I don't think the cheat brigade do themselves any favours by throwing accusations and insults around. At the same time, I still feel more information is needed. Maybe it's my tactical naïveté, but there is no way I would have been contented to play that tactic for the whole 90 minutes if my championship charge were on the line. Maybe Portsmouth played the right style to counter it (makes sense based on the stats and what I could see in the game)? I'm not sure.

Once again we prove that you can't prove anything...
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:43 PM   Cleon and Hammer's West Ham Project Post #130
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Millie - I am not haphazardly throwing in accusations of cheating mate!.

Read the thread through again carefully and tell me that everything adds up?.

I'm not some kid who's ****ed off that he cant play the game, so what even if people are better than me?, i find that out at Poker everytime i play and its cost me a lot more than £24.99 i can tell you!.

I simply believe that cheating is the lowest of the low and its disgusting that Cleon should resort to it to make claims that he is an FM God!.

The answer to all this is very simple, anyone out there willing to put his money where his mouth is, we will both start a game as West Ham and go through it hour by hour day by day if nessasary to make sure we make the same decisions, buy same players etc etc and if that works?, then like i said, i'll apologise and go hang my head in shame never to return!.
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