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Old 08-28-2007, 08:37 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #1
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Hi all. I have played with english club sides for the majority of my FM-life but have decided to give the Brazilian National team a go.

I am hoping this thread will not be closed however if it is I apologise for opening it.

What I want to know is what is the typical formation for a Brazilian side?

When I took control the existing formation was a 4-2-2-2 utilizing 2 dmc's and 2 central midfielders who sarrow to the wings.

However this formation doesn't allow for the likes of Ronaldinho or Kaka as they are attacking midfielder's and would be wasted playing that deep in the field in my opinion.

So any observations would be appreciated in regard to what formation (I can figure the tactical stuff out myself) would best serve the Brazilian style of play.

In particular I would be interested in ascertaining the following:

1. Is the wingback position more ideally suited than full backs for this style?

2. Should DmC role be assigned at all? Perhaps two central midfielders is better with the AmC role used in front of them.

I appreciate any insights you may care to share.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:05 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #2
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update

Have gone with a 4-2-2-2 but instead of the two central midfielders sitting the middle sarrowed I have put them both up to AMC roles.
One is Kaka and is given free role.

The 2 DMC's and centrebacks I have very little forward runs and lower creative freedom set as I want them to form a solid wall or box that is impenetrable to the opposition.

The Full backs have high forward runs and crossing often from the byline since they are effectivley wingers for the side.

Have a friendly against the Swiss so that should be a nice litmus test for the tactic.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:20 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #3
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Personally I would recommend going for full backs rather than out and out wing backs. But just set there team instructions to cross from deep, and puss forward, but then they would need really good stamina, playing against top sides.

I always thought they played with Gilberto sitting in the hole. Try it with one striker, and Kaka just sitting of them, like what Manchester United used to have. Then a CM, and two wingers maybe. I have not really looked so could not give you a full crystal view on things.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:30 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #4
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I've used Brazil a few times myself over the course of a year. I can never make my mind up which tactic to use either due to the sheer depth and quality they have available. When I first started I use a 442 diamond that allowed the AMC to dictate play and everythign went through him. I then later opted to play 4 defenders, 1 DMC, 3 AMC's and 2 strikers.

As for your questions;

1) It can be effective but you might find the opposition get in behind you a lot. You might need a backward arrow if you deploy this system.

2) Either will work just as good, but Brazil do have some very good DMC's for you to use. It would also give you more license to attack if you used a dmc.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:31 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #5
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Yeah am giving full backs the benefit of the doubt as i don't want the flanks left naked.

Will try the crossing from deep in the next game. Want to see how byline crosses works out in the Swiss game.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:38 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #6
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Well the game ended in a dismal goalless draw which was disappointing considering the swiss were the opponants.

We had 53% possession and only 4 shots on target. The only bright point was that the Swiss could only manage one shot on our target - from a free kick.

Aftermath and conclusions: Tempo was quick with slow passing so I would have expected more shots on goal.
Was happy with the defensive aspect of the game. Fullbacks didn't seem to get caught out.

Not really sure how to approve the attacking aspect though.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:46 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #7
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You fullbacks wont get caught out against the likes of Switzerland, but when you play teams such as England, Spain, Italy and the like you might see it been effected more.

For attacking, you might look to give them a few free roles and up the creative freedom a little, having such a skilful side, it could be very effective.
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As tempo and passing are linked, using 2 different extremes of each was always going to have a negative effective. Well in my opinion at the least. You want to try matching the tempo and passing more, to get the best out of it.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:01 AM   The Brazilian Game Post #9
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I thought that quick tempo with short passing would be a good idea for a technically adept side like Brazil Cleon.
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I thought that quick tempo with short passing would be a good idea for a technically adept side like Brazil Cleon.
In the real world maybe, but in terms of game I think the match engine struggles with this due to how it interprets the data. I find if you play fast tempo then you want normal/direct passing any where in between should be enough. And for short passing you want slow/normal tepo anywhere in between.

You might find that it might eventually work for you, but for me I dunno somethings just never right. And SI have led us to believe that both should be set simliar to each other so I always go by this method and it normally works out ok.
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