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Old 03-03-2007, 01:22 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #41
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Originally posted by crazyscotsman:
Zenith: How do I open this rar tactic?
You need a program that can extract zipped files (rar), win rar for example. Then you just unzipp it and all the .tac files is in there.
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Old 03-03-2007, 07:54 PM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #42
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the new tactics got my ass fired from the team, lost too many games in a row, even though on the percentage of the game control my team always had the control of the game, in the end the offensive was never getting any goals, and always ended in getting tied or losing the games
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:04 PM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #43
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Im very intrigued to try this, and will give it a good go as well, for about half a season or so.
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:43 PM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #44
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the new tactics got my ass fired from the team, lost too many games in a row, even though on the percentage of the game control my team always had the control of the game, in the end the offensive was never getting any goals, and always ended in getting tied or losing the games
Bad to hear. What team do you play with? Do you got the right players to play a 4-3-3 formation? Did you tweak it as i recomended before the game starts. Buy setting the team instructions to encounter the way the opposition is playing.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:08 PM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #45
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Hi zenith, I also used a 4-3-3 wingers style formation. I downloaded your tactics and see how you set your players up.

I used tight man-marking for my 4 defs. The result was better than normal man-marking.

I would like to know how you counter your opposition if you got an man red-carded since you use so many man markers.

For me, in a game against charlton, I am 3-1 and a man down at half-time but I scored 3 in the 2nd half though charlton did managed to equalise. I used a 4-2-3 winger style.
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:16 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #46
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Zenith:

How do you go about choosing players for your team, similiar to the Ajax method?
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:19 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #47
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How do you go about choosing players for your team, similiar to the Ajax method?
Well what i can say is that i strive too have alot of different type of players for each positon, some is better suited in the home tactic and some in the away tactic. And i also like to have the option to choose among different type of players depending on the oppositions strength and weakness.

I will try to explain how my squad looks like and what players i have and why, and what i belive is best for each position.

Goalkeeper - I normaly dont change goalkeeper depending on the tactic. But what i can say is that in the home attacking tactic a goal keeper that is great at one-on-ones is best, he should be fast of his line since he acts like a sweeper and clear away the long ball over the defence if the defender isnt able ot beat the forward to it. And opponents will most likeley get their chanses from sending a forward cland of the defence thats why one-on-ones is important.

In the away tactic, i want a goal keeper that is in the command of the area. Since playing defensive the opposition most likely wont get many one-on-ones clear of the defence, so the big threat is from crosses. So he needs to be able to go out from the line and pick down the cross-ball, and reflexes is also needed here, sice the scoring chances will most likely be from close range, from a striker that got highest on the cross for example.

Fullbacks - What i look for here is attacking fullbacks for hte home formation. They should have good pace, technique, dribbling and crossing attributs to start with. Since i want my fullbacks to contribute in the attacks i tend to choose attacking ones before, strong efensive ones.

In the defensive tactic i normaly dont play my attacking fullbacks but go for the strong ones. They should be strong with good marking heading and other defensive attributes.

Center backs - The type of centerbacks dont differ to much in the attacking tactic and the defensive one. I want solid defenders in both tactics since all they should do is to defend. But if i should single out an attribute other then the typical defending attributes that im looking for when selecting players for the home attacking tactic that would be, pace and passing. Pace is because the main treat will come from counter attacks, if i have choosen the right tactic for the game then we will control it and put pressure on the opponents, and their chance in the game will be to hit us with quick counter attacks. That way pace is important to beat the opponent forward when a long ball is played over the defensive line. Passing is needed so the defenders dont give the ball away in the build up. And as you have seen the defenders is set to short passing to deliver the ball to the dmc playmaker to start the attacks. If they have terrible passing then they could give away the ball in a very dagerous position when they are seraching for the dmc in the attacking build up. Also heading is a good one, mainly because i play with a attacking fullbacks and if the opponents exploit the space behind the fullback and get down to cross the defenders need to be able to challange in the air. Heading is a bonus when it comes to choose a DC for the attacking tactic, and it aing as necessary as in the defensive tactic.

In the defensice tactic i sacrifice speed for strong good marking defenders, since i play deep with the defensive line, they arnt likely to need to challange the forward for a long ball over the defence. Danger will be from crosses so here positioning, marking, jumping and heading go before pace and passing as in the attacking selection.

Defensive midfielder (Playmaker) - This player is vital for the success of the tactic, he needs to be good in defending and also have some nice playmaking skills. I have to types in my squad, the strong, solid and hard working DMC, and a DMC with more playmaking skills where i sacrifice some of the defensive attributes. For the attacking tactic i choose the one with more playmaking attributes. And for the defensive (where i dont use a playmaker) i go with the more strong defensive one and sacrifice the attacking abilities.

MC - These players are almost as important as the DMC since they are the engine of the tactic, they should both attack and defend. Same is true here as for hte defensive midfielder. I choose more attacking ones in the attacking and more defensive ones in the defensive. But if i for example choose the attacking formation and but is up against a hard working an physical midfield i scarifice some attacking attributes to get more strength and stamina, workrate in at the midfield. For example choosing one more defensive midfielder and one attacking, instead of choosing two attacking ones as i should have if i belive it would be and easy game.

Wingers - These are pretty much the same in both tactis, speed, dribbling, technique and crossing is the most important. But if you have a winger that is good at the head and the opposition is playing a fullback om his side that is much worse then him on the head this is a way to get some goals. Tell the other winger to cross to the far post, this way he have a good chace to out jump the fullback at the far post and score, this is often tru if they play with attacking fullbacks since they are generaly worse in the air compared to a strong fullback.

Strikers - Well good att heading for the attacking tactic since many chances will come from crosses if the opponents is defensive. Fast striker in the defensive tactic since most chances will come from counter attacks, and you will have your best chances on one-on-ones if you beat the defender to the long ball played over the defence.


Well these is how i tend to choose my players depending to my own tactic, ofc i take a look at the opponents and choose what player i should play depending on if im trying to exploit their weakness or defend against their strengh's. So as i said i can choose a more physical and hard working midfield even when im playing the attacking tactic if i belive that the opposition midfield is a big threat, same is true for the fullbacks, i perhaps choose a defensive left fullback in the attacking tactic if they have a very good right winger and a more attacking right fullback if their winger aint that good. It all depends on what i belive their weakness and strength's are, and it is impossible to choose the perfect starting eleven to cover for all the opposition strengths and exploiting all their weakness at the same time. But you will know after the game if you did make the right selection =).

Picking the "right" players is an very important part in this version of FM i belive.

Ouch now my fingers are hurting so i hoped this helped you some way =).
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:26 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #48
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Hi zenith, I also used a 4-3-3 wingers style formation. I downloaded your tactics and see how you set your players up.

I used tight man-marking for my 4 defs. The result was better than normal man-marking.

I would like to know how you counter your opposition if you got an man red-carded since you use so many man markers.

For me, in a game against charlton, I am 3-1 and a man down at half-time but I scored 3 in the 2nd half though charlton did managed to equalise. I used a 4-2-3 winger style.
Well it depends on when i get the red card and what the score line is. If i get a red card while leading i try to move my wingers back to ML and MR position and play a 4-4-1 formation. This will perhaps mean that i need to make a sub depending on what player that gets sent off. But the player i sacrifice is the DMC to play the 4-4-1 formation to defend the lead or draw.

If im one down and get one sent off, i again sacrifice the DMC, but this time i make it and 4-2-3 formation so i will try and attack and get a goal. This is only true if its late in the game and i need one goal to get a point from the game. If its early in the game i use the 4-4-1 formation and let them get onto me so i perhaps get a couple of chances to counter attack and grab that goal i need to draw.

Hope this helped you in some way.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:30 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #49
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Interesting the way that this tactic has changed and developedm over the last few months. I had great success with the original in my last game but have since started again with the new patch, and due to my fondness of using 2 strikers.

I now play 4-4-2 but still using a lot of Zeniths settings with works really well somehow. But I still use the Zenith blueprint for a lot of away games and also the defensive 4-3-3 if I need to kill off a game.

Good to see it's still working for you lads!

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Old 03-08-2007, 11:01 AM   Zenith's 4-3-3 Tactics Set - A set of 4-3-3 tactics to encounter most situations. Post #50
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This tactic works lika a charm for my Ajax side. Score plenty of goals and a very solid defence. I will never play another tactic agin .
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