retired_infinite_dreams

In my save with Porto i also experienced that in the beginning. I had 3 games in a row where i didn't score. This was early in the season when i used the tactic for the first times. Bur i noticed an improvment after the players had "adoped" to the style of play and at second half of the season i only didnt score in 3 games out of 39. One game was against Sporting CP (0-0) that had the best defence in the league only conceding 8 goals in 30 games. Second match was against Liverpool (0-0) in the CL. And third game against a very bad team in te league Leiria (0-0) that put all the players into the box defending.

Have you put the lone striker in the target man list, and set the supply to target man depending on his strength's? (You should do this even that the "use target man" box isnt ticked)

What tactics did you use? If you play at away and encounter a team that is defensive against you, you should consider using one of the more attacking "home" tactics away. Perhaps the 4-3-3 Normal (H). If you belive that the team will play defensive against you on their home pitch and counter attack, use a tactic with a playmaker and not the away tactic that is used for counter attacking. Counter attacking a team when they are playing counter attack against you isnt efficient at all if you clearly have a team of much better quality.

retired_infinite_dreams

Well i dont use any particular training schedule that is avalible for download. What i do is to make a couple of general schedules for players in the different positions. Goalkeepers, Central Defenders, Full backs, Central Midfielders, Defensive Midfielder, Wingers, Strikers. And then i tweak the sliders to that they have high training in the attributes that is most important for the position. Other then that i make custom made schedules for certain players if they dont fall into the general training schedule for that position. For example say that i have a fast striker, but he have worse technical stats and attacking stats then the rest. Then i make a individual training schedule for him, reducing some of the aerobic training and increasing the ball control and shooting training. So i make custom made training schedules for the players that need that, else they fall into the general training schedule for that position.

What i else try to do is to minimize the Strength and Aerobic training under the season, since the players most likely pick up injuries in that category. What i do is to train alot of strength and aerobic during the preseason and not so much technical and tactic etc. During this period i only have two schedules, one pre season schedule for the goalkeepers and one for the outfield players. When the team get close to the start of the season, say 2 weeks before the first league game i put them back into the general schedual for the position or the individual schedule. And as i said during the season i have a much lower level of strength and aerobic training and put more focus on tactical and technical attributes.

Hope it helped for you.

brian_121

Zenith, Thanks for the tactics and the information, some really clear instructions.

I've started a new game with Glasgow Rangers, so I thought I'd give your 4-3-3 formations a quick test. I started as instructed. At home we was winning 2-0, all pretty good but, my form Away form wasn't as good, lots of nil-nils or slender 0-1 wins with the odd 1-1. So I thought maybe we are too defensive away from home, after all this is Rangers.

So I started playing the 4-3-3 Normal (H)(slightly Tweaked) in the away matches, now i'm winning the away league matches 0-2 with the odd 1-3 results.

I do think the tactics are great as you can just switch between the tactics during a game depending on the situation, yet keeping the overall system the same.

I have noticed I give a few penalties away during a season more than I have before, this maybe due to the man/tight marking? something which I confess I don't usually use.

But overall i'm very happy to continue useing the tactics as templates and tweak if I need too. if I make a error in the tweaking I still have your originals to start again from as I've copied your tactics and renamed them before I have tweaked.

So thanks and continue your great work

retired_infinite_dreams

Thanks for the feedback Baroslfc5.

I just checked the tactis and i have man marking for all players in the back four, but i don't have tight marking activated. Does it have tight marking ON in the version you downloaded?

If you decide to change the marking to zonal for the whole back four or to zonal for the full backs and man marking for the center backs i would love to hear the result. I have played with zonal marking for the whole back four in the Sunderland save and it worked well, but in my Porto save i use man marking for the whole back for and it has been solid as stone, only conceding 14 goals in 30 matches in the league and keept clean sheets against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea in Champions League.

So if you change to zonal marking or zonal/man marking at the defence, post your results so we can compare them.

/Zenith

bullworker

Well, out of seven games, i've lost five, drawn 1 and won 1 (3-0).

Scored 5 conceded 12.

Actually used these tactics for 6 frendlies and 7 league games and 1 cup game.so have actuallt lost 10, won 2 and drawn 1.

The league is looking too realistic at the moment (leeds in relegation zone) and i've got the board and fans on my back so i've resorted back to my tactic, which is how football used to be played (2-3-5 the Pyramid). After being 2-0 down after 30 mins using your tactic, i changed to mine. won 4-2!!!

will try yours again when in a better league postion, reserves are using it and doing ok.

retired_infinite_dreams

Ok thanks for the feebback. Strange that you where leeking goals as crazy, i havent experienced the same for the 5 seasons on the 2 different saves i have with this tactic. Are a couple of things that i have questions about, i want to try to find just what went wrong for you. So i know if i should experience the same.

1. What team do you use?
2. Are you using only the home attacking tactics, or are you using the more defensive ones in the harder away games?
3. What are the attributes for your back four in Marking and Concentration? The reason i ask is that the tactic is set to use man marking (i used zonal when i had defenders that didnt suit the man marking tactic) for the whole back four.
4. How did the games look like? Did you have the most possession or not?
5. Did you allow more shots at goals then the opposition.
6. Are you playing AMC players or MC players for the other two central midfield positions other then the DMC position?

Would be great to know so i can perhaps try to understand what went wrong for you.

Godfather

great 433 tactic. I like it very much.

i got few question.

what make u think use Man Marking for urs defender and winger?

Do slow striker can work in 433 defensive tactic?

retired_infinite_dreams

Nice that you liked it.

what make u think use Man Marking for urs defender and winger?

Well i olny use man marking for the defenders and wingers in the "away" formations. The "home" formation's got zonal marking for the wingers and man marking for the defenders, but i think that you could use zonal marking for the whole back four in the "home" tactic and stil get it solid.

The reason for the man marking in the away formation is that i want to neutralize the threat from the fullback and wingers in the opposition team. By making the wingers in my team man mark, they will follow the opposition fullback when they overlap and go forward. This way they will help the fullback defend and he will not be left alone with a winger and forward from the opposition.

By making the fullbacks man mark i want them to mark the winger out of the game. And if the winger make a run into the box i want the fullback to follow him so the opposition dont get the upper hand in the box, using two strikers and a winger against my two defenders. This way im hoping to minimize the crosses that go for the far post where the winger can sneak up and head it home. Im hoping that my fullback will follow him when he makes the run an challange him for the header.

This way of man marking makes most sense in the defending "away" formations, where the team should concentrate on defending against a stronger opponent that is attacking, and then when possible switch to counter attack.

Do slow striker can work in 433 defensive tactic?

Well i always use a fast striker in the away formations. I use that since i want to counter attack and to it fast by through balls to the striker behind the opponents defence, or by quick attacks down the flanks. But i think that you can make it work as well with a slow striker if you tweak the tactic a bit. If the striker is strong and can hold the ball, you can aim the ball onto him when you are building up the attack. Perhaps tick the "use target man" box and also tick "Hold up ball" for the striker (target man), and then set through balls to often for him. This way he will get the ball when you build up your attack, hold the ball until the rest of your team to get into position, and then hopefully deliver a through ball to one of the wingers and send them clear of the defence. This isnt something that i have tested, but this is the way i should start testing it if i wanted to use a slow, strong striker in the "away" tactic.

Hope that this was a answer to your questions.

bullworker

Ok, i play with Leeds Utd

Tried using defensive tactics as well ast he attacking ones, but many the ultra attack cos that seemed to work best.

Back four stats for marking and concentration are minimum 12 for concentration and 14 for marking, though the two centrebacks are 15 and 16.

The games looked very even, we had plenty of possession, they just managed to get through, and we didn't.

They had more shots then me.

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retired_lovecody

I'm downloading this, looks really, really good and looks like you put a lot of effort into it.

Thank you and good job.