retired_elpata

Its got to that time of year again where FM07 as been stale for a while now and we are all waiting for FM08. So with that in mind I thought it would be a good idea to see how we can improve this forum and see what discussions people are wanting to see.

I've not spoken to Rashidi at lenght yet so I dunno what he as got planned, but I know he does have one or two things he will be trying. So at the minute I will just be speaking about what I got planned and hopefully Rash might tell us some ideas he as.

Sheffield United Project - As I always play Sheff Utd in my careers games I thought id re do this thread for FM08. Looking back at the thread I did earlier this year it didn't quite turn out how I hoped. I wanted to go into a lot more detail but real life got in the way.

So hopefully this time around I will get the chance to explain why I choose a certain type of passing, tempo, width etc and how they all interlink. I will be covering everything I hope. This project will probably be the biggest thing I have ever done on tactics and will take up most of the time available. I am hoping to include a massive piece on training too.

Other things I was thinking of doing for the forum are;

1 Thread where people who don't want to write good write ups about a tactic and tell us how it works etc, can post a tactic with just a few words. That way any single threads that appear we can direct em to that thread and lock the other topic. That way people who just want a tactic and no decription cna just look in it and select one.

A thread solely for 'How hard the game is'. These threads pop up all year around so we might aswell keep them in 1 place. The thread will have to have a few guidelines though or people will just be posting 'this games ****' etc. Any posts that are not constructive will be deleted or closed.

Us mods know the game is not perfect and for some people it can be deemed as hard and we accept that, but atleast put your claim over in a good way and create a discussion rather than just slate everything. Search for posts by arteta is god and you will get an idea of how to put your arguments across. I don't agree with all he says, but he does it in a constructive way and tries to provide evidence. So agree or disagree it doesn't matter but he gets respect for doing it the right way.

I have a few other ideas too but want to speak to Rashidi first.

retired_roshawnda82

I think that the stuff you and other 'gurus' have done with regard to basic frameworks is great, typified by say the 'how to play fm' and 'creating tactics a reasoned approach' threads. Perhaps for FM 2008 there could be a thread of this type for a selection of popular formuations, i.e. a thread for the 4-4-2, a thread for the 3-4-3, a thread for the 3-5-2 etc. It just seems that currently (most likely due to the undoubted time restraints) that there's a couple of good threads for the 4-4-2, and then a couple of good threads for whatever particular type of formation the particular 'guru' fancies creating/using as an example at the time, without necessarily much organisation. As good as Rashidi's 'creating tactics a reasoned approach' is, it does seem to fall into this untidy method. Cheers.

retired_e_fores

I think some threads by someone (you, Rashidi, wwfan, Leroy - whoever has the knowhow/time/will) regarding perhaps specific formations and the general roles of each player in that formation (eg. the role of wingers in a 442 is to.... the role of CM's in a 433 is.....), with perhaps ideas as how to implement this into FM. Just a thought though I don't want to pressure anyone into anything or seem ignorant of the fact that the people who are good at this game have lives to live as well [well that's wht you tell us....... ].


Re. Sheffield United project - surely this will not be to much of a challenge this time around since they'll be the best team in the league. Will you do it in a second season after getting promoted, or perhaps the "Derby County project". I dunno.

retired_elpata

Well I have done something like this for the last 3 years or so myself, so I might still have the FM07 ones somewhere and can easily adapt them for 08 if I do.

It will still be quite hard, as any team in The Championship could get promoted with the right tactic, with morealess the same squads they start with. Plus because im one of the favourites teams will attack me differently than they did last year, which should be good.

And yes I plan to get promoted, stay up, consolidate then europe and challenge for the league. Hopefully If I dont over achieve I can cover all the stages and go into lots of detail

retired_liv1

To reduce the amount of crap on here i reccomend that there should be different sections on the first level eg the main SI forum list with the following with sub sections:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>

<LI>Tactics-
Formation sets created by users or preset formations,(442-41221-433 etc)

Slider information (what they do)

General tactical problems with users formations.

<LI>Theorms
Club cases (tactial anaylsis of a particular club).

HOW TO PLAY FM- more indepth analysis on how to approach FM what to do and when etc.

<LI>Training

Users & preset setups.

HOW to set up a training regimes-focusing on specific positions/players etc.

</UL>


There are probably more but i need to sit down and think, but this should get the ball rolling.

retired_elpata

Sadly sub forums are out of the question, the current software doesn't allow for them. Plus im not sure SI would want lots of subsections.

retired_morin

Well I have done something like this for the last 3 years or so myself, so I might still have the FM07 ones somewhere and can easily adapt them for 08 if I do.

It will still be quite hard, as any team in The Championship could get promoted with the right tactic, with morealess the same squads they start with. Plus because im one of the favourites teams will attack me differently than they did last year, which should be good.

And yes I plan to get promoted, stay up, consolidate then europe and challenge for the league. Hopefully If I dont over achieve I can cover all the stages and go into lots of detail </BLOCKQUOTE>


would be good to see as well how you team and formation would change from being a top championship side too poor prem

would look forward to it

retired_kellyk

We're all very busy now, Cleon has had stuff to attend to, I have work commitments which are driving me crazy on top of trying to balance other things.

Very quickly my plan is pretty straightforward...I'll be doing another edition of Creating Tactics Using a Reasoned Approach. It should be broken up into these areas.

Introduction
Covers the changes in FM2008 vs FM2007. What's new and how to use it. Bullet points on key areas.

The a detailed look at the basics, essentially its a look at getting stable long term success.

1. Sliders and explanation and linkages

2. Training, Specialised training, effects, coaches. It won't be too detailed, not like Lyssiens old threads, but a basic approach on how I use training and how it can link to tactics
How to set up training to meet different kind of players, how to set up training to ensure all players focus on key areas. The caveat for training is simply this, I'm using ingame information to put these together.

3. Choosing players, attributes necessary and how to choose players for different leagues.

That would be Part I

Part II will cover Creating Tactics..what kind of tactics are easier to create on the engine. It will follow the same theme as the original thread, where I elaborate on the concepts and use them for home and away matches. It will also cover mediatalks; only after I've tested the game as much as possible.

Tactical creation will take tactics, identify what instructions are the best and what kind of players go into it. Once I finish one tactic I will probably move on to another....I hope.

Since Part I is more conceptual and features basic stuff like conceptual stuff on sliders and training. It will be in one thread.

Part II will occupy its own thread and will be an ongoing project.


All this sounds too ambitious methinks...but my credo at work is that everything is possible

retired_BrownVanilla

I would like to see a thread that helps users solve common problems, we had one a while back, that named different problems under common medical conditions and gave ways to solve them. I'm not saying compare the problems to a common illness, just a simple guide that gives basic tips on solving common problems e.g strikers mis-firing/leaky defence.

retired_kellyk

Chances are there'll be quite a few threads that will pop out. The clinic was something Asmodeus did, or was it Dayle...but they'll probably come around once the beta is released.

A clinic is a good idea, always has been. Its the one-stop shop for a quick fix.