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Old 08-31-2007, 10:43 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #21
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This is a very good question, moggy. In the manual, it states that they are separate from each other, but I can't understand why changing the global slider would change them all individually. If they were separate entities then it would make much more sense. All of the other sliders have only one function, so why would mentality be any different? This is one of the biggest things that needs to be cleared up. There should be 2 separate sliders that affect only its own function:

1. Team mentality (global only)
2. Player Positioning (individual mentalities currently)
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:45 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #22
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Surely the attacking options will be limited by having all midfielders on forward runs rarely?

As for creative freedom, I think that McFadden and Arteta have theirs way too high, tbh. I know that they are the main creative players, but taking into consideration McFadden's stats, he isn't really capable to be that high, imo.

Could be wrong, however. What do you think Cleon.
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:45 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #23
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Not imo, the team mentality slider still plays a vital part. But others disagree, but I can change a game by just altering the mentality team slider even if everyone as individual settings. Some agree with me others disagree, but I always use the team sliders on the basis they do play a apart.
Apologies Cleon - I actually knew that piece of information thanks to your Shef Utd project. I asked the wrong question - half typing half watching the super cup final. Replace mentality with creative freedom in my question. Sorry...:

By using all individual creative freedom there like arteta has shown, does the team creative freedom slider become redundant?


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Old 08-31-2007, 10:46 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #24
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Cleon, what do you think is the difference? Are individual mentalities for positioning only, and the global setting tells the lads how to attack as a team?

Could you answer this?
How would a centre midfielder act if his individual mentality was set to all out attack, but the team's global setting was all out defend?
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:47 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #25
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Surely the attacking options will be limited by having all midfielders on forward runs rarely?

As for creative freedom, I think that McFadden and Arteta have theirs way too high, tbh. I know that they are the main creative players, but taking into consideration McFadden's stats, he isn't really capable to be that high, imo.

Could be wrong, however. What do you think Cleon.
I'm not sure I clarified, but I am not using Everton, mate. This is just a tactical guideline that we are going to apply to Sevilla.

IGNORE THE TEAM/PLAYERS FOLKS. Just concentrate on settings for now...
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:49 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #26
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by ObaMartins09:
Surely the attacking options will be limited by having all midfielders on forward runs rarely?

As for creative freedom, I think that McFadden and Arteta have theirs way too high, tbh. I know that they are the main creative players, but taking into consideration McFadden's stats, he isn't really capable to be that high, imo.

Could be wrong, however. What do you think Cleon.
I'm not sure I clarified, but I am not using Everton, mate. This is just a tactical guideline that we are going to apply to Sevilla.

IGNORE THE TEAM/PLAYERS FOLKS. Just concentrate on settings for now... </BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah, I did actually see that, just forgot \0/
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:52 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #27
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This is a very good question, moggy. In the manual, it states that they are separate from each other, but I can't understand why changing the global slider would change them all individually. If they were separate entities then it would make much more sense. All of the other sliders have only one function, so why would mentality be any different? This is one of the biggest things that needs to be cleared up. There should be 2 separate sliders that affect only its own function:

1. Team mentality (global only)
2. Player Positioning (individual mentalities currently)
I'll tell you what I think and it actually says this in the manual,

Team mentality = mentality you want to play i.e defensive, attacking etc

Ind Ment = Player positioning on the pitch.

I'm not saying I'm right and I'm not saying I am wrong. But by judging what the manual says and from what I see in a game this method works for me very well.

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Surely the attacking options will be limited by having all midfielders on forward runs rarely?

As for creative freedom, I think that McFadden and Arteta have theirs way too high, tbh. I know that they are the main creative players, but taking into consideration McFadden's stats, he isn't really capable to be that high, imo.

Could be wrong, however. What do you think Cleon.
I think the balance is good, if he commits too many bodies forward he will get overrun by through balls or balls played over the top.

As for the CF, Hmm Arteta is fine but McFadden id have to see how it went first. No harm in him staring high though, if it doesn;t work he can always change it later. But I think he was just using Everton to illustrate the screenshots.

Moggy - Yes it becomes redundant
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:54 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #28
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How would a centre midfielder act if his individual mentality was set to all out attack, but the team's global setting was all out defend?
A concensus I have come across is that it would be confused, I don't know though.

Personally I think global is they way to go - I started to do it because I couldn't be bothered with RoO, it seemed the next best thing.
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:55 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #29
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Cleon, what do you think is the difference? Are individual mentalities for positioning only, and the global setting tells the lads how to attack as a team?

Could you answer this?
How would a centre midfielder act if his individual mentality was set to all out attack, but the team's global setting was all out defend?
For me he'd be in an advanced position but be defensive minded when you loose the ball. Its only my opinion though, but reading the manual it does make sense. For me atleast But id advise against doing 2 extremes of each slider as it will cause confusion, if that makes sense?
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:05 PM   Moggydave and Arteta's 4-3-3 plus Group Collaboration Post #30
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I seem to remember the manual saying that your team mentality should not differ too much from your individual settings. With this in mind, it would make sense to find the average or the mean. We'll get to this when we get to the team settings though...
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