Fitness Matt

That makes sense - but it any repayment of Capital should have an effect on the Club Value whereas dividends don't.

retired_samiam

I guess we could put it down to the game not being created to be this financially aware or to purposely keep things simple.

I guess an answer to this threads original question would be to just accept that from time to time, your club will pay out money in dividends, and the timing of this and the amount is at the discretion of your club, much like setting your transfer budget is. It's not something for the human manager to interfere with or to question, and is something we have to "manage" around.


Will this be the first time in history that a thread has been started and a proper answer or solution given without descending into a fight?

Had to happen sooner or later, I guess. :-)

retired_ehoff15

just to point out too, sometimes companies do pay out dividend to shareholders despite making a year end loss, as long as they have cash in hand for the pay out. Vodafone for example continue to pay out dividend to shareholders despite making losses in the previous financial years. One of the reason I believe is to keep the investor happy.

Fitness Matt

Keep the share price up, more like :/

retired_ehoff15

that too. otherwise the share price of vodafone would have been hitting the rock bottom, judging from their losses in the last three years

dreamer

made a loss. started with 110 m, finished the season with 52m...then paid out divs on that. </BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ended up with 52 million sat in th bank it's no wonder dividends were paid out, companies don't tend to keep money in the bank long, just because the balance didn't go up doesn't mean dividends won't be paid out if the money's there. If you had -52 million in the bank you'd have a point.

zib

Exactly. Abramovich owns Chelsea because he owns the shares in Chelsea. Therefore, he's a shareholder that dividends are paid to.

And for Nostromo - as for only plcs paying dividends...how exactly are the investors in non-plcs supposed to get a return on their investment if not through dividend payments? </BLOCKQUOTE>

isn't the role of the moderator is to moderate? i don't recall 'attitude' being part of the jd. but thanks for the feedback anyway.

but since you made such an intelligent point, why didnt watford pay shareholders dividend...or man city?

please dream up something on that and share it with us

thanks in advance </BLOCKQUOTE>

Attitude? Where did you dream that up from? Do you actually read a straightforward question (which you haven't bothered to answer, btw) in your own head with the type of attitude you would ask it (ie the same sort of attitude that comes out with 'but since you made such an intelligent point')?

As for 'why didnt watford pay shareholders dividend...or man city?', for a start, I don't know whether you're talking about in-game or IRL, but in either case, as has been pointed out above, but even if a company has made the profits to enable them to make a profit, it doesn't mean that they have to make dividend payments - profit can always be ploughed back into a company for invest purposes etc. And that isn't 'dreamt up', but I have shared it with you.

As for 'isn't the role of the moderator is to moderate?'. Yes it is. But it doesn't mean that I can't also post in the same way as any other forum user.

In return, perhaps I can ask a similar question of you - isn't it the role of forum users to adhere to the House Rules and also the Terms And Conditions you agreed to when joining the forums that state you shouldn't be abusive to other users? Please dream up something on that and share it with us.

Thanks in advance. </BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all, i was talking about the game, not real life.

As you are aware, and im sure you are as you seem to read some of the postings...the game is far from being realistic.

Obviously, you are doing the dreaming....where did I abuse you? Pointing out the obvious is not abuse, it maybe annoying for you but its not abuse.

Maybe, you should try to be less sensitive. No, this is not abuse either. Just advice.

Actually you are wrong. The moderator's purpose is to moderate in an impartial manner.

I don't see you doing that. In fact, you feel compelled to inflame the situation by 'clever' at the end of your post.

Thanks for trying to get 'heavy' on me, its quite funny. Especially, your intention behind it.

You get critised, (once again pointing out the difference between abuse and citicism), and insted of dealing with it, you respond in a manner hoping to gain sympathy from the rest of the posters.

Fascinating stuff. Wonder what Freud would say about that. The need for justification must be strong.

dreamer

Also, just because the bank balance decreases it does NOT mean a loss has been made, it could simply mean more money has been invested that year than the previous, You could have made 50 million profit which was then spent on investments for the future, such as new training facilities, a stadium or even players, in a corporate sense, players are viewed as assets NOT costs, so buying a player doesn't count as a loss for the business, it counts as an asset.

zib

made a loss. started with 110 m, finished the season with 52m...then paid out divs on that. </BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ended up with 52 million sat in th bank it's no wonder dividends were paid out, companies don't tend to keep money in the bank long, just because the balance didn't go up doesn't mean dividends won't be paid out if the money's there. If you had -52 million in the bank you'd have a point. </BLOCKQUOTE>

at the end of the season, i made a huge loss and left with 52m in the bank. that was supposed to be going towards next years, stadium extension, transfer fees..etc

no company would pay out, escecially a footbal club, unless they are stupid and are planning on severely impacting next year's operation. hence lack of realism in the game.

zib

there was a big red figure showing the loss i made for the year, and then they paid out dividend.

re your comments...think about leeds. look at all the 'assets' the club had and where they are now.