retired_kevin 1

I completely agree with this post. I cannot bring myself to play the beta patched FM8. I find the match engine entirely unplayable. With the pre beta match engine I could overlook the closing down, the near 100% direct free kick success rate etc as I knew they were known issues and I could view the experience as getting to grips with the new features. I find the beta patched version a complete shambles.

After a brief dalliance playing FM6, I’ve gone back to FM7 until the full patch comes out. I have little faith that the patch will cure all the FM8 match engine’s ills and so I fully expect to carry on with FM7 for the foreseeable future.

I did wonder whether they (SI) should just give up the FM8 engine as a bad job, and tack the FM7 engine into it. FM7’s engine had its faults and annoyances, but they pale into insignificance next to FM8’s. However, what FM8 features are any better? I like the new assistant and coach reports in FM8. That’s really the only thing I miss when I go back to FM7. The confidence feature would be good if it worked properly, the budget adjustments are welcome, but apart from that everything is overshadowed by the unplayability of the new engine.

FM7 + assistant/coach reports would have been infinitely preferable to what has been produced.

SI should therefore take all the time they need over the patch if FM8 isn’t to be consigned to history.

canaduse

No mate, I'm not making excuses for anyone.

If you think about what I wrote, it's simply the comparison between one of the biggest software houses ever known, and by comparison a small interactive software house, who have proven over quite a while to be responsive to a community they allow full voice to, whereas, and I stand corrected if I'm wrong, I don't believe that Microsoft support a forum of this kind to allow the avalanche of consumer complaints there would be, given the awful state of most of their releases.

Support for SI doesn't have to be seen as a fanboy, 'cause I'm not. Simple for me, I've enjoyed SI games for many years now, and I don't think they deserve the pointless abuse, continual criticism and general negative approach of too many contributors to these boards. They have always supported their soiftware, as I believe they will on this release as well.

retired_dancinchick07

Although, Ranson, isn't it a little unfair to compare the bugs present in the windows operating system with the bugs present in a game? Whilst the programmers working on WinXP may be larger in number the number of users of windows compared to FM won't be larger by the same proportion. Additionally Microsoft will have to deal with hackers maliciously trying to exploit bits of code - the same cannot be said of FM. As a final point Microsoft wasn't releasing a yearly update as a new operating system - while there were newer versions pretty much all of the new features could be applied as an update to an earlier one so it was just a case of people upgrading from Win98 or Win2000.

Doesn't mean that there aren't good examples of bug-ridden games out there (Ultima, CM5 etc etc) but Windows I'd say is a pretty bad comparison.

Tickers

PS Anyway - I'm a Mac user!

retired_dannygirl82

This post seemed to sum it up for me as well. I played the FM08 demo and pretty much felt the same. I struggled to be interested enough to complete the six months.

Myself, and six of my mates, always bought CM/FM on release and spent a ton of our time playing it. Now, three of them haven't even bought the new game because the demo let them down and the only reason I've got FM this year is because my Dad bought it for me as a Christmas present.

This is the first version of CM/FM that's made me feel this way and it is a worry.

retired_atticus_mathers

Do you know what 'conspiracy theory' means? Because this isn't one.

Apparently FM2008/FMLive is my second option: a bad business decision.. yeah, miles better. Great job. explains a lot.

retired_khayter

I hope SI's business philosopy is not one of "buyer beware."

Some people on this forum have nothing but contempt for those who complain. There are certain people here who seem to spend huge amounts of each day defending absolutely everything SI does and firing sarcasm at people who bought a product and are now upset about it. I'm talking about the "stop complaining, you should have tried the demo" crowd. You know who you are.

With all respect, guys, people who have spent their hard-earned money have a right to be angry if they do not feel that they are getting what they paid for.

Companies have an obligation to listen and take steps to improve the situation.

Respect should go both ways.

koolkid

EA didn't and look where it got them. Their games still sell like crazy but their football simulations are a joke to anyone who ever played PES/FM. Their sales went down so much in that department that they actually started to try making improvements. I haven't played an EA Sports game since 2001. That was right after FIFA started its downfall, it was getting boring and another game was coming up the ranks. If anyone else makes a decent management game these days, people will try it and maybe stick with it when it gets better. This wouldn't have happened in the days when any complaint was replied instantly with "Don't buy the game if you don't like it".

Many people buy the game without any care for the patch or the forums. If they stop out of frustration and there are no non-crap management simulations by then, I believe the time of football management simulations may come to a sad end. Would be a pity really. SI, make sure that doesn't happen for everyone's sake.

retired_qwerty

EA didn't and look where it got them. Their games still sell like crazy but their football simulations are a joke to anyone who ever played PES/FM. Their sales went down so much in that department that they actually started to try making improvements. I haven't played an EA Sports game since 2001. That was right after FIFA started its downfall, it was getting boring and another game was coming up the ranks. If anyone else makes a decent management game these days, people will try it and maybe stick with it when it gets better. This wouldn't have happened in the days when any complaint was replied instantly with "Don't buy the game if you don't like it".
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A bitt off topic but just want to say that actually EA has improved a lot since 2001. I have bought WC06, FIFA07 and FIFA 08, each one gets better and better. FIFA07 saw a massive improvement to the infamouse old FIFA gameplay and it felt far more realistic. This year's FIFA08 built on that and has further closed the gap between FIFA and PES. I am not a FIFA fan but I think it is only fair that we do not use our old ways to see FIFA/EA anymore.

retired_terata

How anyone can choose so wilfully and knowingly be so utterly and publicly wrong in such a sweeping statement bereft of grammar and crammed with adjectives is beyond me.

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I think White Raven statement is based on facts and is correct in every respect.

How anyone can choose to either intentionally or negligently be so ignorant and publicly wrong in such an unreasonable response bereft of spelling and crammed with adverbs is beyond me. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Infact, worse than those who choose so wilfully and knowingly to be so utterly and publicly wrong with such a sweeping statement bereft of grammar and crammed with adjectives, are those who try, and frankly fail, to be clever rather than adding to the debate itself.

Please continue, perhaps on this auspicious occasion taking the time - since you are clearly feeling eloquent - to articulate the reasons you feel that these 'facts', or rather, aspersions, are in your opinion correct.

That way we might all benefit from a good laugh at the pair of you whilst learning something more about the minds of whiners.

retired_amberly0ne

NO

although there has been a lot of bugs/errors on th game , it seems to me that si are trying pretty hard to fix them as quick as they can :thup:, also i dont think i could ever NOT buy fm , purely down to the fact it is still the best management game around for all football fans