retired_GoBlue31

It wont have any impact at all on FM09. The proportion of players who read these forums will be tiny, and believe it or not your average gamer probably wont notice half of the problems or realise they are bugs as such.

If i'm playing some random game and there is a stupid bug in it I might moan about it a bit. With FM I come on here and complain about it because I know that Si read it :p

I think the level of complains show how passionate we are about the game. If I play any other game which has major problems I will just uninstall it and never play it again. Why don't we do that with FM ? Why don't I do that ? I don't need to answer that because it's obvious.

I don't mind the issues with the bugs. Some of them are like boderline between a bug and flawed game design. Like the board confidence stuff ? I think this is flawed design rather than a bug, it's quite clearly broke. Poor player AI in relation to things like transfers/contracts etc - it's always been like that. Things like the weather ? is this even classed as a bug, the fact your pitch turns into a marshland every time there is any drizzle... How could this have not been noticed the second it was implemented - it's not a bug - it's **** poor design.

I love FM, I really do. But I say this now, and I mean it. I will not be buying FM next year unless there is some significant advancement in the series. I'm happy to post up pages and pages of suggestions on this forum as are 100's of other users. Most of them are ignored. We get about 4-5 decent new features each release... i'm sorry but it's not enough. Of the top of my head, I can think of TWO features I use in FM08 over 07. The budget adjustment and the make available for reserves (which is also poorly implemented I might add)

Yes I'll probably spend a about 5 days game time playing, so is it worth £20 ? Well yes it is.... But I would just do the same on FM07 if I had not bought this.

I know everyone on here seems to say this, and I don't believe most of them either, but I have been playing since the Amiga version (infact i still have the saved game on my A1200 hard drive, and I was one of the stupid people to buy CM2 on the amiga!!!) But I refuse to spend any money next year unless this game makes an advancement.

I've been on here since CM4 was released (my user id got deleted at some point) and boy was there complaining then.... I remember asking if they had ever watched a game of football.

But I think this year, there has been more complaints, and a different kind of complaining to the last few years. People are becoming fed up, people like me, loyal customers are starting to feel like I am being ripped off. I laugh at the idiots who buy Fifa every year and now I am one of them.

retired_amy1987tuma

Well said, I feel the same way.

SI really got a decision to make. Does it want to be the high quality franchise that it used to be or simply be like a EA-Fifa franchise?

This year's release have been a massive disappointment to say the least. It is not a crap game, but it is not worth of the high standard that this franchise represents.

retired_atticus_mathers

The development process does not simply involves typing code. It is far more complicated than that. Lots of code must now be designed for two different projects, limiting the possibilities and complicating the design process. Design meetings between teams on how to design features that work both online and offline, GUI design meetings to ensure there is a common design trend between products.
Of course SI is going to tell us it does not take away from the FM development process. That's what I'd do in their position. However, some of us are experienced enough in software development to see straight through this. Having two completely seperate teams for two products that are so similar is a dumb business decision and a waste of time and money. No company with any experience will do things that way.

But, if you want to believe it, be my guest..

retired_qwerty

This sounds 100% more like the truth.

retired_STRIDER

...The latest game in a firmly established series, a "side project" to an as yet unreleased, brand new franchise...

The logic there is simply mind blowing.

retired_terata

How anyone can choose so wilfully and knowingly be so utterly and publicly wrong in such a sweeping statement bereft of grammar and crammed with adjectives is beyond me.

Both games were entirely playable, adn if these forums weren't here we'd all be getting on with it, just like we all did before.

retired_qwerty

How anyone can choose so wilfully and knowingly be so utterly and publicly wrong in such a sweeping statement bereft of grammar and crammed with adjectives is beyond me.

Both games were entirely playable, adn if these forums weren't here we'd all be getting on with it, just like we all did before. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I think White Raven statement is based on facts and is correct in every respect.

How anyone can choose to either intentionally or negligently be so ignorant and publicly wrong in such an unreasonable response bereft of spelling and crammed with adverbs is beyond me.

canaduse

There is no debacle here at all. It's a game, with flaws, they will be fixed, big deal.

I run XP, I think I had something like my 100 update to the software in around three years, and we reckon SI has a problem ????

I think not.

zib

tell that to the crying 10 year old who is watching carvalho and terry refusing to close down anyone because of some dodgy bug.

canaduse

You jest right. For goodness sake. Try explaining its a game, and that it will be fixed in the fullness of time.

Better still get them some friends and try some human interaction for a change.

Failing all that, take them to White Hart Lane and watch Tottenham defend, they are so close to their men, their almost in another stadium.