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Old 12-17-2007, 10:37 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #1
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Why did SI dick around so much with the engine from 07, it seems the AI is changing tactics every 15 seconds. If you watch a game the DM for example is changing his b-arrow every 15 sec or so, watch it, it is so funny; arrow is there and now is gone, its back and now its gone etc, right through the entire game. The manager couldn't shout instructions that fast! And also I have just been promoted to EPL with Sheff Wed and I am doing alright except I think the result is made before the game even starts. Example playing away @ Liverpool, lost 4 -1 fair enough but then I didnt save and reloaded the game 5 times, each time with completely different tactics, different team talks etc etc and guess what the score was every single time, yes thats right 4-1. Does anyone else think that is a little strange?
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:41 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #2
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While it is unusual to have the same result 5 times, remember that Liverpools tactics probably never changed. 4-1 at home to Wednesday isn't that unusual a scoreline, and i would say that whatever you tried, chances are they'd win.

Sorry if that makes me a fanboy, just trying to justify why the same result might occur that often.

Incidentally, what drove you to replay a game 5 times?
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:44 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #3
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Obviously just a coincidence or didn't actually happen, would like to see a screenshot or five to prove it did. The game couldn't be calculated before it's even start as all the variables you change before and within a game affect the numbers which are being put into the match engine. Another idea would be to make your title of your thread actually be something to do with what your going to talk about.
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:52 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #4
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LOL. "No Fanboys please"

You rant and provide ZERO proof, don't expect anyone to take this post seriously.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:02 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #5
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Obviously just a coincidence or didn't actually happen, would like to see a screenshot or five to prove it did. The game couldn't be calculated before it's even start as all the variables you change before and within a game affect the numbers which are being put into the match engine...
That's where you're wrong. It's a well-covered subject and SI has evrified several times:

We are watching a movie.

The entire match is played out between the time you hit Confirm to start the match and the match screen starts showing it. If you make exit the match screen and make any changes during the course of the movie - any changes at all, a single opposition instruction, a one-tick bump on a tactic slider, a substitution - the unseen portion of the movie is thrown out and a new one generated using the new tactics.

New for FM08: The new movie used to be generated when you hit "Confirm" to reenter the match screen. But as part of the MatchFlow system implemented in '08, the new movie is now generated when you see Applying Tactic Changes in the commentary bar.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:10 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #6
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Still means the same thing though when he changes his tactics before he starts the game hes changing how the game will turnout. Don't believe for a minute though that he played the game six times and ended with the same result. Until i see six different screenshots showing the five reloads and original match i will not be taking the OP seriously.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:14 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #7
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Originally posted by Jack McQueen:
Why did SI dick around so much with the engine from 07, it seems the AI is changing tactics every 15 seconds. If you watch a game the DM for example is changing his b-arrow every 15 sec or so, watch it, it is so funny; arrow is there and now is gone, its back and now its gone etc, right through the entire game. The manager couldn't shout instructions that fast! And also I have just been promoted to EPL with Sheff Wed and I am doing alright except I think the result is made before the game even starts. Example playing away @ Liverpool, lost 4 -1 fair enough but then I didnt save and reloaded the game 5 times, each time with completely different tactics, different team talks etc etc and guess what the score was every single time, yes thats right 4-1. Does anyone else think that is a little strange?
wow...i thought i was the only one seeing this.

it really is discouraging for me to see the seemingly incessant changing of tactics for certain opponents.

i even had a match where not only the dc kept getting a barrow...but the formation was changing drastically over a 10 minute game time period.

i honestly hope the ai are as restricted as the user in the tactics can only be implemented at a stoppage.

but with incessant tactic switching, it seems the ai can manage their game "winning eleven" style and basically tell players to do certain things given a situation during the match.

i've only noticed this for a few matches though...it is obvious if you watch your matches at the formations screen (when the clock is winding down)
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:15 PM   NO Fanboys Please Post #8
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True. I'd like to see some shots as well. And even then given this day and age of Photoshop, I'd be skeptical.
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i meant the MC not DC...
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The FM07 match engine - I was forced to watch the matches on commentary only. It was not very enjoyable otherwise.
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