retired_nickgiardina

SCIAG is right, I'm playing with Liverpool right now and after 5 games I was 15th... below clubs like Fulham, Wigan, Bolton! But I finished 3rd 12 pts off Chelsea but if it wasn't for that bad start to the season, I would've won the Preimership... oh thats right, the last 3 season for Liverpool IRL, have been ruined by very bad starts (5 games). So don't just give up, and re starting the game makes it more difficult because you can't expect to get a tactic working perfectly for day 1 and you'll proably have the same problems if you restart - making you more fustrated.

rodrigo

I agree. Tatics take time to work! I think the defence is the first priority then you can concerntrate on improving the midfield etc

retired_roshawnda82

Starr_Man - save yourself a LOAD of time and effort and just download the latest Weegie Update database!

retired_kellyk

I'm just looking at your settings; I have a few thoughts to share.

<LI>You're playing deep and you have a defensive mentality. This means your players the AI is really only being challenged very deep. I can see that you want to play counterattacking, but this would really reduce the amount of balls you win in midfield.

In reality Liverpool tend to do a lot of ball winning in midfield, they don't play with a very deep defensive line and tend to start challenging for the ball somewhere near the halfway line. Closing down really happens aggressively in their own half.

To get the same kind of effect you could increase your dline to normal somewhere around ten, set up your mentalities to normal for the midfield and then tweak the dline to look for goals by pushing it up when needed.

When Liverpool sit back deep you will notice that Carra and Agger like to play direct passes. Perhaps you should incorporate direct passing with your DCs, so that you can get quick attacks down the flanks.

If you set up one MC on forward runs always and the other on none, with one mc on a higher mentality than the other you can also recreate to some extent Gerrard and Xabi with Xabi sitting deeper playing the through balls.

Of course Gerrard has to be on CD always and Xabi on rarely.


FWR are good to use but if you put everyone on often forward runs you lose linkplay which is why one of the MC's is on none. By pushing up the DLine alone you could camp in an opponents half to look for goals, easily done by reducing tempo.

That's some of the things I would do. I wouldn't have different tactics, just the same one, with changes to tempo and dline to give a different effect.

retired_roshawnda82

I'm just looking at your settings; I have a few thoughts to share.

<LI>You're playing deep and you have a defensive mentality. This means your players the AI is really only being challenged very deep. I can see that you want to play counterattacking, but this would really reduce the amount of balls you win in midfield.

In reality Liverpool tend to do a lot of ball winning in midfield, they don't play with a very deep defensive line and tend to start challenging for the ball somewhere near the halfway line. Closing down really happens aggressively in their own half.

To get the same kind of effect you could increase your dline to normal somewhere around ten, set up your mentalities to normal for the midfield and then tweak the dline to look for goals by pushing it up when needed.

When Liverpool sit back deep you will notice that Carra and Agger like to play direct passes. Perhaps you should incorporate direct passing with your DCs, so that you can get quick attacks down the flanks.

If you set up one MC on forward runs always and the other on none, with one mc on a higher mentality than the other you can also recreate to some extent Gerrard and Xabi with Xabi sitting deeper playing the through balls.

Of course Gerrard has to be on CD always and Xabi on rarely.


FWR are good to use but if you put everyone on often forward runs you lose linkplay which is why one of the MC's is on none. By pushing up the DLine alone you could camp in an opponents half to look for goals, easily done by reducing tempo.

That's some of the things I would do. I wouldn't have different tactics, just the same one, with changes to tempo and dline to give a different effect. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure Starr_Man will welcome your suggestions Rashidi as I think he is a massive Liverpool fan who is currently pretty frustrated with the game. However, he was explicitly trying to re-create the playing style of the 70s and 80s side, not the current Liverpool side, and in so doing, establish with or not it is in fact possible to achieve success with it.

retired_Balanchinegal

I think you're right bob123456...

Rashidi1, I need help, you have no idea how much I want to do this; as you know I restarted a few times on the last Experiment before my broadband "packed in" (bloody builders).
This is a nagging though in my head all day, I'll start a new game then as bob123456 says, I'll get frustrated with it, and give up, only to pine for it until I start again, add infinitum...

Should I start a new thread (with your explicit permission), or just start a new game on this thread?
What I could do is signal the intent of a fresh approach, and rather than tackle it solely by myself, I could ask for (realistic) ideas from all you guys before gathering them together to make a final list of "Accepted" ideas; these then could be implemented into said new game as a sort of "team effort" as, like I have said before, I just don't know enough about the game to do it on my own, much as i'd like to...

What say you?

retired_kellyk

For the pool team of the 60's its slightly tougher, you can replicate it entirely but you need to put long farrows on the flanks to make them do the long runs down the flanks. Thing is heighway used to pick up good balls from defense and just begin his runs from there. So it is possible. Its admittedly tougher.

What I would do is to longfarrow the MCs, give them normal mentality, make both MCs the anchors.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">Position Mentality CD FWR RWB TTB PassingMCd 8-10 8 None Mixed Often DirectMCa 14 20 Often Mixed Mixed Short/MixedML/MR 10 17 FWR Mixed Mixed DirectDC DirectFB Short</pre>

If I put direct passing on the fullbacks it will bypass the 2 MCs, if you set it to short, it should go to the MCs before heading to the wingers and then directly to the strikers.

Starr_Man5. I know you can get the formation to work, it is very frustrating I will admit to work things out, but rest assured I will try and help where I can. I have stopped playing FM2007 as I have to keep a promise I made to some blokes. But if you can give me full details of what's happening I will definitely try and help you recreate the tactic.

Try those settings and let me know how it comes along

retired_Balanchinegal

Rest assured, Rashidi1, I'm writing the above into my notepad here to go try soon, but! (There's always a but, isn't there?)
I'm wondering if getting the team to play like Liverpool of today would be a better idea, because..

I know it's a bit of a jump but so has football IRL from the 70's - 80's compared to nowadays.
Thing is, I know an awful lot about todays Liverpool because I'm a massive fan and I watch them all the time so therefore I both know, and can see exactly how they play. Not only that but so do many others (as you yourself pointed out a couple of posts ago) so they too can add their input which is more likely to be fact, as apposed to theories about how it used to be/should be...
I don't think that would be too much of a challenge, and Liverpool do have a very distinct style of play based on Benitez's Philosophy on the game. All managers imprint their personality on their teams which you can see in their play - During a Liverpool match not so long ago I even heard a commentator mention that "Watching Liverpool nowadays is just like watching Valencia in 03 - 04 (When Benitez was Valencia manager and won La Liga)"
Ironically, I myself remember watching that match; they tore us apart from start to finish - I remember the way they played and I think I even said we should have a manager like that as we put in yet another dour performance in Europe and were made to look second best.
I really don't mean to be so bloody indecisive but I'm just not totally convinced you can play that old style of football on FM07, as successful as it was, in fact I think playing that deep/defensive/patient style is pretty much committing tactical suicide with our beloved FM07 being as fickle as it is.
But again, as always, I'm sort of throwing this one into the mix to gauge the response - see what people think.

I only hope the idea is not dead in the water as far as everyone else is concerned...
Such is my piddling round with it, I wouldn't be surprised..
What does anyone think?

retired_Balanchinegal

*Sorry! meant to ask Rashidi1, why have you promised not to play it? or can't you say?

retired_kellyk

You can get the team to play like liverpool of today without a doubt. It isn't dead, it does take a bit, but there's a simple rule to follow in terms of instructions you want to give your players. Just know what you want them to do first, set those up individually then look to using defensive line tempo and width as ingame tweaks.