retired_rjw13838

"Unless you play a defensive formation then you can keep counter attack on." contradicts with "and still use a defensive set up with counter attacking against everyone and it works like a treat."

Which of the two has the typo? (my guess is the first) </BLOCKQUOTE>

None of them have a typo, read the quote I replied to </BLOCKQUOTE>

First you say that you can use counter attack, but not when playing a defensive formation, then you say you play counter attack with a defensive formation. Thats contradictive.

retired_liliana

"Unless you play a defensive formation then you can keep counter attack on." contradicts with "and still use a defensive set up with counter attacking against everyone and it works like a treat."

Which of the two has the typo? (my guess is the first) </BLOCKQUOTE>

None of them have a typo, read the quote I replied to </BLOCKQUOTE>

First you say that you can use counter attack, but not when playing a defensive formation, then you say you play counter attack with a defensive formation. Thats contradictive. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Contradictory.

retired_curlatorres

How do I download the tactic then?

The TTF RoO RoT Tactic Sets link goes straight onto the FM Downloads bit. Which one is it?

Would love to try it out, cheers.

retired_janellewood86

paulowen:

Bitter?

"IRL" the top teams still change their approach depending on who they play. For instance, a smaller side may decide to play a high closing down, quick counter attack game. That needs a different approach to the weaker side who plays the "park the bus infront of goal" kind of game. This is why your new away tactic only "works for 5 matches". It works, to an extent, but it quickly becomes obvious how to counter it.

As for the "numbers game", yes, you're right. It's a computer game. But not everyone's approach is as mathematical and methodical as wwfan's. What about "slider apathy"? Or Cleon? Or a whole host of other successful players who don't use such a regimented system.

As for never dominating away: it is possible, and I have done it many a time. Not all the time, obviously, but then who does?

All I can suggest are two things: 1) try looking at some more threads and trying to impliment other ideas. Cleon's is a good mix between maths and applied football for me, and is closest to my philosophy (as I advocate many a time ). 2) Don't play the game anymore.

wwfan & The next Diaby:

Wow! It's great that these tactics are available for download. If nothing else they're excellent exemplars to have a fiddle with and see how they tick. Like buying an old computer and tinkering with the bits to see how it works.

I'll be downloading some of these soon, I reckon, and seeing how you guys set up. Could be an interesting couple of hours...

retired_rjw13838

First thing I did was ctrl+f-&gt; roo.

Might work.

retired_rjw13838

In response to swfc going up

retired_ladylimdiddy

So Mille what would your approach be then to small teams who play quick counter attack?

I normally play a 4 5 1 slow tempo short passing game

retired_ladylimdiddy

Also the problem is we dont watch the full game so somtimes its difficult to see there style from key highlights and by the time you have its too late.

Top teams dont have to change much a top class team can adapt against different styles they dont need the manager to instruct there every move

retired_janellewood86

Well, you can play them at their own game. Play more direct, quicker and don't give them time to settle. If trying to outplay them doesn't work, then use your superiority to beat them at their own game.

Not watching full game may be hampering you. I always watch the 10 minutes at the beginning before switching to key if it's working. Then after each goal I check any changes to the opposition's approach. If they do, I do my usual changes and watch another 10 minutes on full.

It's not that time consuming once you get the hang of it.

And, yes, top managers do instruct players highly. Otherwise the top players would try and run the game themselves and you'd end up with a horrible mess.

retired_liliana

You need to open your eyes. If you think Chelsea plays the same way against Man Utd or against S****horpe then you're very wrong. They might field the same formation, even the same players, but their tactics have to be different.

Also, re-ranking does not mean they have "cracked" your tactics. That's nonsense. The computer could "crack" your tactics in a few seconds, if it wanted to. What re-ranking means is that teams will perceive you differently depending on how well or badly you've been doing.

In real life, there's no set date or time for "re-ranking", but it does occur. Think about how people perceive, say Ajax, today. It's a much different perspective than one would have in 1995, don't you think? There isn't an exact turning point, but, looking at both ends, you realize there was a severe change. Re-ranking.

Now, the game has to work with turning points. It is a game, after all. It's very hard and subjective to assess these things. They set two arbitrary points, and it works. It could be better, but it could be a lot worse. You might not be satisfied with it, but at least try to understand its logic.