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Ok so I've pretty much played this version of FM to death, so I'm just messing around with it now, trying to understand some of the stranger happenings and trying to arm myself with as much information as possible for when the next version comes out.
I've always approached the game mainly from the tactical angle, as all the pyschology side of things bores me to death.
However, having read numerous times about the importance of morale, media interaction, team talks etc, I reloaded my old West Ham save, which is well in the future when the Hammers have taken control of the Premier League and Europe, this isn't because of any particular genius on my part, just that given time it is not hard to buy up the best players, whereas the AI teams do not manage their squads at all well.
Anyway, I digress. What I wanted to look at were situations where strange results crop up, and to try and understand where I went wrong. In the past as I have never bothered with pre match media comments and have left the team talks to the ass man, I have put any surprise reverses down to my laziness/the crapness of the ass man. Now however I am not so sure.
Take the following scenario, the Hammers are well clear at the top of the Prem, and on a 19 match unbeaten run, and go Reading on a March afternoon, on the back of a 3-0 win at the Nou Camp. The morale of the starting XI is superb across the board.
Despite the fact that Reading are having a miserable season and have poor morale going into the game, incredibly West Ham go in 3-0 down at half time and go on to lose 4-1.
Now, why has this happened?
There was no opportunity to make any pre-match comments to the media, and as all 11 players were on superb morale, this couldn't have helped anyway.
So my ass man must have given the wrong team talks, especially before kick off. Possibly, having checked he said I expect a win.
These things happen in real life. Undeniably they do, so that is possible.
However, back to the title of the topic, what worries me is that, as I have explained the only reason I am playing this particular save is to have a look at some of these stranger occurences, to see if they can be avoided, so it was time to reload and try again.
As I mentioned there was no pre-match media approach, so nothing could be changed there, so it was time to take back control of the team talks from the ass man.
Incredibly, despite trying all 5 different pre-match team talks combined with different half time ones, 15 attempts later, the Hammers are yet to topple struggling low morale Reading, and have only drawn on 3 occasions.
So as I say, it worries me that despite having a world class squad, who have gelled together perfectly, and have superb morale, a tried and tested tactic, regardless of what interaction I have with the players, this particular game seems to be just about unwinnable.
Could be, but they only use a very basic looking 4-4-2 with no arrows of any description, and I come up against this all the time as most teams other than the big boys just set up defensively and try and hit me on the break.
Do SI program bogey teams into the game do you think?
I also wonder whether they program in anything to do with being below par after a Champions League game, as we did play at the Nou Camp in midweek, although my players fitness before the game looks fine.
Originally posted by swash:
Could be, but they only use a very basic looking 4-4-2 with no arrows of any description, and I come up against this all the time as most teams other than the big boys just set up defensively and try and hit me on the break.
Do SI program bogey teams into the game do you think?
I also wonder whether they program in anything to do with being below par after a Champions League game, as we did play at the Nou Camp in midweek, although my players fitness before the game looks fine.
Well in my Liverpool game after 3 seasons West Ham are my bogey team and you remember the 2006 FA Cup final?
I hear you, mate. I did an experiment once in which I replayed a game 27 games before I got a win. Most of those games were 1-1 draws or 1-0 losses and I was the clear favourite. Worryingly, most of the goals were conceded in bizarre fashion. I counted that something like 13 games were tied or lost in the 90th minute. A few of the same players continued to get the same injuries.
I feel that certain games/all games/a large number of games are predetermined to a certain degree, meaning that for that particular match you have x% chance of winning. For this particular match I would say that x = 10% or so, hence the ludicrous goals conceded and the highly unfavourable run of losses or draws. Remember that SI wanted to rid the world of super-tactics in this version. I feel that the way they have done it is to implement a cheap module in where the AI receives attribute boosts + the 4-2-4/2-3-5 cheat tactics, plus this x percentage of winning certain games.
You will get many people claiming that it's your tactical ineptness; something as subtle as this: 'Against that flat 442 you need to play wider and slower and draw them out of position.' I am sure you already do this, but certain ahem! fan boys will never EVER EVER even consider the game to have even the slightest of faults. Always they will blame your tactic. FM07 is a large facade that contains all the elements of greatness, but is really quite a hollow game when you peer inside of it.
Originally posted by swash:
Could be, but they only use a very basic looking 4-4-2 with no arrows of any description, and I come up against this all the time as most teams other than the big boys just set up defensively and try and hit me on the break.
Do SI program bogey teams into the game do you think?
I also wonder whether they program in anything to do with being below par after a Champions League game, as we did play at the Nou Camp in midweek, although my players fitness before the game looks fine.
It should be pretty obvious that this game is so flawed that anything is possible. Who knows what they programmed into it to get rid of the super tactic. One thing si for sure and that is they ruined the game by doing it.
Originally posted by Betis_DK:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by swash:
Could be, but they only use a very basic looking 4-4-2 with no arrows of any description, and I come up against this all the time as most teams other than the big boys just set up defensively and try and hit me on the break.
Do SI program bogey teams into the game do you think?
I also wonder whether they program in anything to do with being below par after a Champions League game, as we did play at the Nou Camp in midweek, although my players fitness before the game looks fine.
It should be pretty obvious that this game is so flawed that anything is possible. Who knows what they programmed into it to get rid of the super tactic. One thing si for sure and that is they ruined the game by doing it. </BLOCKQUOTE>Rubbish. I'm enjoying my game immensely.
ruined? ill admit it took a bit of getting used to - but by having to watch games to win, and adapt my tactics on the fly, and all the other gubbins, ive become far more invloved than i have on previous versions. though if it wasnt for the tactical guidance from this place, id have given up long ago...
look at it in an other way hav u ever replayed a game u have won to see if u keep winning it no thats because u dont bother when u win someimes u gotta take a defeat and just enjoy the game 4 what it is witch is FUN
This really worries me 
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