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Old 08-28-2007, 07:04 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #21
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Quote:
Originally posted by arteta is god:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
Fuss: I'm interested to see your team on paper since one of Cleon's theories is that it takes a player up to 8 months to settle in. Surely with all of these new players, you can not be consistent?

After finishing 5th with Newcastle, I brought in David Pizarro, Jankulovski, and Scott Brown and it all went pear-shaped...
Its not a theory its a direct fact from SI.

But all players differ, some settle quicker than others and vice versa. If you buy someone who's used to playing in the formation you currently and the country you are already in then they shouldn't take that long to settle in I imagine just a few games. Your best having a peek at there adaptability stat to see how fast they will settle though.

But then it does take time for them to gel as a team also, and this is why one week you can win 3-0 and the next loose 3-0. It can cause a lot of unconsistency. There are some games thought where they don't seem to have a negative effect on your team. But I have only experienced this one before so for me that was rare. I managed to bring in a new first 11 and it didn't seem to effect me in the slightest.

But like I said, that was just rare for me. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, but how do you explain Fuss's success then? He brought in a whole new team... </BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought I might have already covered that in the bit where I talked about my experience, no? Plus he always plays West Ham and made his tactis for them many months ago. Its like me with Sheffield United on the game, theres not a single thing I cannot do with them as i've used them that long.

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1) I never noticed that before , but thats just pure coincidence. Its kind of hard trying to work an exact number of what stat should go with which slider because its normally a number of stats thats needed.

2)I had an idea of using Tevez and Ashton the best I could. But I also wanted something different thats why I choose 1 upfront only as if not id have probably gone 442 again and thats boring. So I wanted to opt for something not many people use but still got me the best out of Ashton.
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:11 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #22
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
Fuss: I'm interested to see your team on paper since one of Cleon's theories is that it takes a player up to 8 months to settle in. Surely with all of these new players, you can not be consistent?

After finishing 5th with Newcastle, I brought in David Pizarro, Jankulovski, and Scott Brown and it all went pear-shaped...
Its not a theory its a direct fact from SI.

But all players differ, some settle quicker than others and vice versa. If you buy someone who's used to playing in the formation you currently and the country you are already in then they shouldn't take that long to settle in I imagine just a few games. Your best having a peek at there adaptability stat to see how fast they will settle though.

But then it does take time for them to gel as a team also, and this is why one week you can win 3-0 and the next loose 3-0. It can cause a lot of unconsistency. There are some games thought where they don't seem to have a negative effect on your team. But I have only experienced this one before so for me that was rare. I managed to bring in a new first 11 and it didn't seem to effect me in the slightest.

But like I said, that was just rare for me. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, but how do you explain Fuss's success then? He brought in a whole new team... </BLOCKQUOTE>

i thought I might have already covered that in the bit where I talked about my experience, no?

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1) I never noticed that before , but thats just pure coincidence. Its kind of hard trying to work an exact number of what stat should go with which slider because its normally a number of stats thats needed.

2)I had an idea of using Tevez and Ashton the best I could. But I also wanted something different thats why I choose 1 upfront only as if not id have probably gone 442 again and thats boring. So I wanted to opt for something not many people use but still got me the best out of Ashton. </BLOCKQUOTE>

That's great mate, thanks. I've just played the Pompey game, next fixture in your save game and like a few people, narrowly lost the game despite dominating. I'm just interested to see how you'd have approached it?

The scout report didnt give much away, it just said pompey would play a normal 442, to defend deep, their defence might be tough to break down and that benjani should be given special attention. So I went for a wide attacking set up to try and stretch them out, held a deep defensive line and set the opposition instructions up for benjani.

How would you have done it?
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:19 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by saab693:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by arteta is god:
Fuss: I'm interested to see your team on paper since one of Cleon's theories is that it takes a player up to 8 months to settle in. Surely with all of these new players, you can not be consistent?

After finishing 5th with Newcastle, I brought in David Pizarro, Jankulovski, and Scott Brown and it all went pear-shaped...
Its not a theory its a direct fact from SI.

But all players differ, some settle quicker than others and vice versa. If you buy someone who's used to playing in the formation you currently and the country you are already in then they shouldn't take that long to settle in I imagine just a few games. Your best having a peek at there adaptability stat to see how fast they will settle though.

But then it does take time for them to gel as a team also, and this is why one week you can win 3-0 and the next loose 3-0. It can cause a lot of unconsistency. There are some games thought where they don't seem to have a negative effect on your team. But I have only experienced this one before so for me that was rare. I managed to bring in a new first 11 and it didn't seem to effect me in the slightest.

But like I said, that was just rare for me. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, but how do you explain Fuss's success then? He brought in a whole new team... </BLOCKQUOTE>

i thought I might have already covered that in the bit where I talked about my experience, no?

saab693 - Np's at all

1) I never noticed that before , but thats just pure coincidence. Its kind of hard trying to work an exact number of what stat should go with which slider because its normally a number of stats thats needed.

2)I had an idea of using Tevez and Ashton the best I could. But I also wanted something different thats why I choose 1 upfront only as if not id have probably gone 442 again and thats boring. So I wanted to opt for something not many people use but still got me the best out of Ashton. </BLOCKQUOTE>

That's great mate, thanks. I've just played the Pompey game, next fixture in your save game and like a few people, narrowly lost the game despite dominating. I'm just interested to see how you'd have approached it?

The scout report didnt give much away, it just said pompey would play a normal 442, to defend deep, their defence might be tough to break down and that benjani should be given special attention. So I went for a wide attacking set up to try and stretch them out, held a deep defensive line and set the opposition instructions up for benjani.

How would you have done it? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Id have just played it like everyone else, so I would have expected to win by alucky goal, get a bore draw or loose. As everyone who as played it have had the best chances just not finished them.

If id been playing properly though I might have gone attacking for this game and not used counter attacking due to me being the home side. I think I was home side cannae remember
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:22 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #24
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Just to let you guys know that I have played 3 more games since the league cup draw with Boro.

Arsenal H 0-1 Deserved to lose they played alot better than me

Wigan A 2-0 Poor game only had 5 shots all game but luckly got 2 goals, they didnt cause me much trouble

Boro H 2-0 Tevez back from injury got 2 goals to give me win once again they didnt cause me much trouble

Cleon since you mentioned about the 4-4-2 Diamond formation leaking goals I had a look and have changed it to a 4-1-3-2 with three runners from midfield seems like I am lot more solid at the back with the two outer midfields helping the fullback when I am defending

Here is the league table after 12 Games and in thoughs 12 games I have played the big 4 so hopefully can go on and make my way into top 4.


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Old 08-28-2007, 07:26 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #25
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Quote:
Originally posted by Collymore:
Just to let you guys know that I have played 3 more games since the league cup draw with Boro.

Arsenal H 0-1 Deserved to lose they played alot better than me

Wigan A 2-0 Poor game only had 5 shots all game but luckly got 2 goals, they didnt cause me much trouble

Boro H 2-0 Tevez back from injury got 2 goals to give me win once again they didnt cause me much trouble

Cleon since you mentioned about the 4-4-2 Diamond formation leaking goals I had a look and have changed it to a 4-1-3-2 with three runners from midfield seems like I am lot more solid at the back with the two outer midfields helping the fullback when I am defending

Here is the league table after 12 Games and in thoughs 12 games I have played the big 4 so hopefully can go on and make my way into top 4.


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d.../League_12.jpg
The diamond can work and be effective, but there are just certain vulnerbilities you have to live with using that shape. But they can be the things that loose you a game at times, especially on a bad day no matter how good you are you can't stop the space in the middle of it being exploited.
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:28 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #26
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Sorry if I'm being slow Cleon, but are you implementing the same methods as in the Sheffield United Project? In that you seemed to change temp, mentality and width depending on the scout report. For this West Ham game are you just using the same instructions every game?

Sorry if I was vague, I'm just interested to see how exactly you'd have set up, esp as I'm inside your save game! Most bizarre!
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:42 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #27
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Quote:
Originally posted by saab693:
Sorry if I'm being slow Cleon, but are you implementing the same methods as in the Sheffield United Project? In that you seemed to change temp, mentality and width depending on the scout report. For this West Ham game are you just using the same instructions every game?

Sorry if I was vague, I'm just interested to see how exactly you'd have set up, esp as I'm inside your save game! Most bizarre!
As my time was limited that I had to participate in this, I was just using the same set up game after game and not changing things.

If I wasn't rushing and trying to prove a point, id have stopped and been more thoughtful and done things simliar to my Sheff Utd thread yes.
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:44 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #28
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arteta is god - Havn't bought a whole new team mate, and they took along time to settle, most of my buys go out on loan forthe first season to an english club to adapt to life.

=Bale - Fit in fine, has always played in england.
=Adu - out on loan
=Lima - out on loan
=Cesar - Hasn't settled, couldnt hit a barn door with a machinegun.
=Coluka - slotted straight in, good chap, i always get him.
=Enyema - roatation
=Guardado - rotation

So as you cna see only 2 players actually altered my sarting 11. And it ddnt take them along time to settle, didnt start getting the results i wanted until late Oct...and now the Nov rerank is killing me
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:48 PM   The West Ham Challenge Post #29
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As you can see from my screeny alotof my new players hardly played for me, an are now out on loan or used as backup. DeJong, Enyema, and Corluka play quite regually, although the later two not as much now as they did at the start of the season, it's important to get them as many games as you can in the early days.
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quick tech question, how do you go about printing a whole discussion when the discussion is longer than a page? Couldn't see anything in the FAQs, apologies if I've missed something
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