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Old 10-05-2007, 03:35 PM   FM08 Demo: Trying to create a new 4123 system Post #1
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Hi all, i am trying to create a formation that uses 3 strikers, the idea is to create a tactic that punches through the centre of the midfield and defence.

I'm trying to create a direct or short attacking system, that passes quickly through the midfield, i want the two outer strikers to take the space between the centre backs and full backs, running the channels and then coming into the box to link up with the central striker, leaving the centre backs to mark the central striker, hopefully leaving space for the AMC's to run through and latch onto a direct pass or knock down from one of the forwards.

My defensive unit is a standard back four with a dm, ideally i want lots of neat short passing triangles between the two AMC's and the three ST's with one of them making a run into space.

By 4123 i mean

ST ST ST
AM AM

DM
DL DC DC DR

Does anybody have any ideas on how to implement this?
Has anybody had any success with 3 strikers upfront?

My team instructions are:

Mentality:13
Creative Freedom: 10
Passing Style: 5
Tempo: 6
Width: 5
Closing Down: 13
Defensive Line: 14
Tackling: Easy
Focus Passing: Through The Middle
Marking: Zonal

Play Offside

Can anybody see anything glaringly wrong with those instructions considering how i want to play?

I really want to implement a successful short passing attacking tactic with 3 men upfront and 2 or 1 AMC in support, has anybody done anything similar?

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Old 10-05-2007, 03:47 PM   FM08 Demo: Trying to create a new 4123 system Post #2
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I can see straight away that you'll probably struggle to have a decent amount of possession due to the huge gap in midfield. All the middle of the pitch will be empty due to you using DMC's and AMC's. There is noone in beween to win the ball back should you loose it. Myself id have rather used the AMC's as MC's to add a bit more stability to the middle of the pitch. Attacking you'd be good but as soon as you lost the ball you'd have problems especially when facing pacey teams. But if your not too bothered about this then stick with what you got.

Another reason id have the AMC's as MC's is because I find that if you use 3 strikers and 2 AMC's they will tend to limit the space of each other and sometimes occupy simliar areas of the pitch due to them being crowded.


I use 3 strikers upfront and I set the middle striker up as a targetman but set his mentality deeper than the outer 2 strikers so he flicks balls on with his head for them. I then have my outer 2 strikers set up slightly more advanced, run with ball, forward runs. Then id watch a few games and see how this was working then id alter things ever so slightly to get the best out of the strikers.

But that should be a good enough start to get you going.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:57 PM   FM08 Demo: Trying to create a new 4123 system Post #3
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The lack of players in the MC area was something i was worried about but thought by playing direct passing on my defenders i can bypass the midfield, it works sometimes but as you say when i loose the ball i am open to attack, i will try the AMC's at MC with farrows i think. I want the 3 strikers to play one two's off each other and the AMC(s) any idea on how to implement that? I want the amc to be in space to play one two's as well as being able to play through balls. I have set my strikers up opposite to yours, i have my central striker on the most attacking and the two forwards less attacking, the thinking behind that is the central striker can run onto through balls from the forwards and knock long balls back into the oncoming forwards path. How well does your system work? Do your strikers pass and move or are they in always in position waiting for the flick on ?
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I'm not sure if that is going to work. You have massive gaps throughout midfield and you also have no wingers. Even if you moved two of the strikers to AML and AMR with one up front you are still leaving gaps in the centre of midfield.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:06 PM   FM08 Demo: Trying to create a new 4123 system Post #5
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The lack of players in the MC area was something i was worried about but thought by playing direct passing on my defenders i can bypass the midfield,
Direct passing actually means you go from defence - Midfield - Attack and so on. If you want to bypass the midfield you need to go long not direct.

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i will try the AMC's at MC with farrows i think.
Try them without farrows at first and see if that works. You can still have them attacking and make them advanced by setting there mentalities high.

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I want the 3 strikers to play one two's off each other and the AMC(s) any idea on how to implement that?
Really short passing help. Plus a lot of strikers have this as a PPM. SO it might be worth trying to bring players in who have PPM's like this.

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How well does your system work? Do your strikers pass and move or are they in always in position waiting for the flick on ?
I think its the best combo you can have. My strikers are pass and move all the time. As soon as my targetman flicks the ball on to one of other strikers he moves forward and often my strikers play it back to him for a tap in. Because my targetman is deep the oppostion move further up the pitch and when I win the header my pacy strikers have lots of space to work in.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:14 PM   FM08 Demo: Trying to create a new 4123 system Post #6
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Thanks for the suggestions, sounds good, i will try these later on, so how is your midfield set up are you not weak down the wings? Do your fullbacks support the attack, my fullbacks are strictly part of my defence as i am trying not to get caught out on the wings, what about my team instructions, i think i will make them less attacking as a team and concentrate more on individuals and where i want them on the pitch, do you find that the way you have set up your strikers you always seem to score the same goal?
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I play 343 so I don't get over run in midfield as I have wingers.

My strikers score all sorts of goals, team goals, solo's, long range etc its a real mixed bag at times.
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Originally posted by Cleon:
I play 343 so I don't get over run in midfield as I have wingers.

My strikers score all sorts of goals, team goals, solo's, long range etc its a real mixed bag at times.
Wont you get overrun down the flanks then?

How do you play your wingers? Do they have a backwards arrow?
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
I play 343 so I don't get over run in midfield as I have wingers.

My strikers score all sorts of goals, team goals, solo's, long range etc its a real mixed bag at times.
Wont you get overrun down the flanks then?

How do you play your wingers? Do they have a backwards arrow? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah they don't have backward arrows.

Why would I get overrun down the flanks? As long as my wingers track back and are not too advanced then its fine. Plus my back 3 can handle almost anything.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cleon:
I can see straight away that you'll probably struggle to have a decent amount of possession due to the huge gap in midfield. All the middle of the pitch will be empty due to you using DMC's and AMC's. There is noone in beween to win the ball back should you loose it. Myself id have rather used the AMC's as MC's to add a bit more stability to the middle of the pitch. Attacking you'd be good but as soon as you lost the ball you'd have problems especially when facing pacey teams. But if your not too bothered about this then stick with what you got.

Another reason id have the AMC's as MC's is because I find that if you use 3 strikers and 2 AMC's they will tend to limit the space of each other and sometimes occupy simliar areas of the pitch due to them being crowded.


I use 3 strikers upfront and I set the middle striker up as a targetman but set his mentality deeper than the outer 2 strikers so he flicks balls on with his head for them. I then have my outer 2 strikers set up slightly more advanced, run with ball, forward runs. Then id watch a few games and see how this was working then id alter things ever so slightly to get the best out of the strikers.

But that should be a good enough start to get you going.
Try this: you can move the wingers up to stikers if preferred.

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