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Old 05-31-2007, 12:12 AM   Is this offside? Post #1
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[Remember, kids, it's the ignorant Yank asking]

After some midfield play, one of my guys passes to an opposing player. At that instant, my two strikers are well offside but very wide and away from the play. The opposing player dumps it back to his keeper. My strikers remain offside. The keeper then makes a poopy pass straight up the middle to my MC who runs down and scores. My MC was clearly onside when he received his gift. My two strikers were offside the entire time but were nowhere near the play. Score? Offside?
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:15 AM   Is this offside? Post #2
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Your strikers may have been away from the play, but did they attract a defender to mark them? If so, then they would be deemed as influencing play and be offside. If no defender was near them, they were away from play and making no motion to go near it then I would say goal.
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:21 AM   Is this offside? Post #3
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Just bad mouth the FA anyway, I always do it if I get the chance. Which explains a lot of my touchline bans. By a lot I mean all of them.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:07 AM   Is this offside? Post #4
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nobby--

Tough call on the defenders. My strikers were standing around as usual. The defenders were mostly ignoring them (which is usually quite safe) from about ten yards away. Everyone was moving upfield and under the assumption that the keeper's right foot was still functional.

In the event, it was ruled a goal but one defender complained of offside. Also, the commentary said it looked dubious. Since I had not clue one, I ducked the question after the game.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:50 AM   Is this offside? Post #5
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No, this is not an punishable offside (I don't know a better word than punishable, sorry about that but the meaning should get through).

First of all the moment when the pass was made by your player to the opposing defender has passed and when the keeper makes the clearnce a new moment has arrived and therefore your strikers are no longer offside and wont be offside until a pass is made towards them.

Secondly Fifa is more and more moving towards that a player has to touch the ball to be offside and currently and basicly right now the player has to directly affect the defender trying to stop the attack or touch the ball. I am drawing the assumption that they were on both flanks and your midfielder was in the middle and therefore they are not in a punishable offside. But then you can basiclly ignore this as it was the opposing player who passed to your player and therefore your strikers can't be offside.

(I guess I'll also admit to being a referee myself after this post 8Flame ahead eh))
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Old 05-31-2007, 02:47 AM   Is this offside? Post #6
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I think the real question you should be asking is:

a) Why were both your strikers offside (as opposed to onside)?

b) Why are they standing motionless on the side of the field instead of being in a 'proper' offside position, such as in front of the keeper having a chat about the weather?

I prefer to play in commentary mode myself to save me from the grief of witnessing such idiotic events.
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Old 05-31-2007, 03:12 AM   Is this offside? Post #7
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SSSJJJ - The midfielder initially made a pass, albeit it went to an opposing player. This can still be an offside infringement depending on circumstance.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:12 AM   Is this offside? Post #8
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Just to clarify: there was no aggressive play throughout the sequence. Nobody ever contested any pass, the strikers and defenders were separated, everyone was either standing or strolling back upfield when the keeper chipped it up to my MC, onside and 30 yards out, who then strolled in uncontested and scored. Goalboy then looked sheepishly toward the bench and shrugged.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:56 AM   Is this offside? Post #9
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Take some pics and then post it in GQ and we/they will have a look.

Not really a LLM question as some of us don't know what it's actually like to score a goal.
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From The FA webby:
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Law 11 - Offside

Offside Position

It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:

* he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent
* A player is not in an offside position if:
* he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
* he is level with the second last opponent or
* he is level with the last two opponents

Offence

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

* interfering with play or
* interfering with an opponent or
* gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

* a goal kick or
* a throw-in or
* a corner kick

Infringements/Sanctions

For any offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred.

Decisions of the International F.A. Board

Decision 1

In the definition of offside position, "nearer to his opponents’ goal line" means that any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition.

Decision 2

The definitions of elements of involvement in active play are as follows:

Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate.

Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.
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