mdschneids

after making more then 10 season in FM 2008 and analysing 1 on 1 situations my conclusion is that player stats dont matter.
this analysis is made after wathcing the games against CRAPPY TEAMS vs MY Champions League winner team

facts:
corners-attacking: most of times my players will make fouls or will miss the ball or defenders will get the ball
corners-defending: most of times my players will never get the ball no matter how bad the corner taker is or how bad the AI header is
freekicks-attacking: my players will either score, miss or GK saves it and if i make a 2nd or 3rd shot still wont score
freekicks-attacking: AI players will either score, miss or my GK saves it and if they make a 2nd or 3rd try they will score
counter-attacks-attacking: no matter how tactics use or how fast my players are the AI will easily be able to caught with them and tackle
counter-attacks-attacking: no matter how tactics i use or how fast my players are the AI players will easily be able to cut the cross.
counter-attacks-defending: no matter how tactics i use or how good my players are the AI players will drible them and make an amazing cross
my striker vs AI keeper: more then 50% of times my players wont score
AI striker vs my keeper: more then 80% of times the AI player will score
AI keeper under pressure: 80% of times will make an amazing cross to the midfield and an AI players will get the ball
my keeper under pressure: 80% of times will take the ball out for a throwing
my GK making a pass to DM-MC: 80% AI will get the ball
AI GK making a pass to DM-MC: 80% AI will get the ball
tired players: AI players will always run faster then my players even though my players are faster and in better shape


Constructive feedback is apreciated.

circlewalker

I'm amazed at how thorough your work is.

retired_cglittergirl1967

Read my post "individual skills don't matter".
It's about similar topics.

DBrown87

I don't see how that could possibly be true. If player stats don't matter then how do Man utd, Arsenal, Liverpool & Chelsea consistently get at the top of the table? Why don't southend win the FA cup?

If player stats are irrelevant then surely each game is nothing more than a roll of the dice?

Did you win the champions league with Rosenburg? More likely to be Barcelona or Chelsea I bet.

mdschneids

tactics????? im analysing my team vs AI team and not AI team vs Ai team, when it's AI team vs AI team they will seem to be equal situations...

won it with Benfica...

the situations above i mentioned are the ones where players stats should make a big difference no matter what tactics you use and in fm2008 they dont have big influence. i have for example palacia+aguero+delgado+falcao all very fast strikers but on 1 vs 1 situations their speed does make any difference...

retired_jackrrice

Tbh your post doesn't qualify as "analysis". Throughout your 10 seasons I doubt you've actually counted/made note of each incident in order to present the actual statistics (although I would be very interested if you or someone else did).

You've obviusly encountered instances in the game that has annoyed you and when similar things happens again later they stick out in your mind more.

Also the fact that you've won the CL means that those "stats" you've posted aren't worth much, as you've obviously been very succesfull.

DBrown87

They do make a big difference...

Hence why I can manage Man utd and win any team below the premiership without bothering with tactics. my players individual stats take care of the result. However when my players come up against half decent opponents, tactics come in to play.

An Benefica aren't that bad. It's not a huge shock them winning the CL.

Now go and put those killer tactics to use with Rushden & Diamonds and win the FA Cup in your first season. Their players crap stats won't matter afterall.

If what you say is true then the game would be an unplayable broken mess. Which it isn't.

From what I can gather the engine creates a silly amount of highlights, perhaps so we don't get bored watching the clock tick down? Anyway, to counter the amount of chances, a lot of them are missed so the scorelines aren't always too high. Maybe this is where yo get the impression that player stats aren't important?

mdschneids

Tbh your post doesn't qualify as "analysis". Throughout your 10 seasons I doubt you've actually counted/made note of each incident in order to present the actual statistics (although I would be very interested if you or someone else did).

You've obviusly encountered instances in the game that has annoyed you and when similar things happens again later they stick out in your mind more.

Also the fact that you've won the CL means that those "stats" you've posted aren't worth much, as you've obviously been very succesfull. </BLOCKQUOTE>

thx for the reply. well at least one of the situations i mentioned happen in every game so i thought i could be a good point but i still respect your opinion. last game playing at home against my rival they had 3 corners and they scored all even though my players were marking them. i dont think you see everyday someone score 3 goals from only 3 corners... thank god i scored 5 goals before they have done that

alidog

The most amazing thing IMO is that despite you jotting down times there's been chances for each side and carefully tallying up all the chances created by both sides over 10 seasons (And taking the time to watch AI vs AI matches as well), the figures came out at nice round numbers like 80% or 50%.

Actually, they're nearly all 80%. :eek:

How very odd.

If I was a sceptical person then I'd point out the following:

1) You haven't had time to play 10 seasons on even key highlights, never mind extended, and watch all this and jot down figures for chances and make nice graphs out of it all.

I've played FM for 7.5 days solid (That's 7.5 24 hour days) on extended highlights and I've only just finished my 3rd season. That means if you go at a similar speed to me, you'd need to play 7.5 * 3.33 or 25 FULL DAYS with no sleep or toilet breaks, on a game that only came out 30 days ago. Not possible.

2) You must therefore have (shock horror) MADE UP THOSE FIGURES ENTIRELY.

Do us a favour, go away and do some proper research, you know with tables, graphs etc documenting every single chance that's been created in the game over a long period of time (Say a season) and come back to us *. Then we'll discuss your findings and see where we stand. Maybe someone will then take you seriously. The FM match engine does NOT differentiate between human and AI, it just plays the game. If you're not winning, it's because either your players or tactics are not as good as the computers. End of.

* I did this with FM06 (I think) when people complained about superkeepers. I found that over a season, I was actually more likely to score with each shot on target than the AI was. I'll happily find the post for you if you are interested so you can see what sort of info you need to make random claims like this just because the AI keeps beating you.

My_Evo

Can we please see the source data for this analysis?
Staements like "most of the time" and "more than 50%" seem pretty meaningless without real numbers.

Proper analysis means you say things like "In the 25 games I watched, we had 78 strikes on goal of which 37 there was no defender between the shooter and the keeper.
Of the 37 we converted 11"

When you've done actual analysis, and not just put wildly speculative numbers to your emotional response to your performances, then you can draw conclusions. Until then, nothing.