My_Evo

Oh, and can you avoid using the word "facts" when you don't have any?

As someone who actually has to deal with facts, I appreciate the distinction.

retired_euluis

Wow, his post means that I'm the AI! Seriously, the amount of times the exact opposite happens in my games is... well, great, actually

On FM08 I would rather say there is bias towards the human player than against him. Not saying there is a bias but it certainly seems in my favour most of the time.

retired_thester

In my experience of playing FM, I feel the teams reputation has a higher bearing than player stats.

You can test this out by using a crap team and taking on a good team but substituting the good players with their reserves or other crap players (eg, by editing their first team players condition to very low). They play nowhere near as crap as they should.

This may not be the case for the teams that are human controlled but it seems the case for AI teams.

retired_B_RAN

Yes, and this makes perfect sense. The AI teams are using tactics, including individual player instructions, that allow their players to perform properly. Simply stated, if you do not give your team and your individual players the proper instructions, you will see the kind of results that you've seen.

True, the attributes of your players may seem to have minimal or no effect. That is because the superior tactical instructions of the AI and your failure to implement the proper tactics with your own squad. The end result is that a seemingly inferior squad can appear to be your equal.

This is why good managers make a difference. This is how certain managers have become well-known for taking smaller countries to good success in the World Cup, and why some managers achieve fame by taking small clubs to the higher levels.

See the historical example of Wimbledon FC to find out how superior tactics and a good gameplan can overcome superior opposition.

retired_jonathannew1212

to be honest i think the 2d pitch ai is very realistic,
the thing that says that your strikers will always be caught up and tackled, that is a reflection of real life. remember strikers are a bit slower than they are at full pace when dribbling and of course a defender can still challenge even at a distance from the striker.
in the end the stats will talk for themselves if you have great strikers they will score eventually.

this may sound contradictory to the above but fm08 is also relaistic because of player slumps.
on previous fm's when you sign a good striker he bangs in the goals consistently. i bought falcao as ipswich and scored 3 in 20. then offloaded to man city then he scored 9 in 11. this actually happens, it makes the game much more interesting

retired_kaletown

I did a rough calculation and it seems that I have one goal for every 8-9 shots on target.

Regardless of quality of opposition, AI averages 1 goal every 3-4 shots on target.

In FM 07 my teams would struggle to reach 48% possession and pump 10 shots on targets against decent teams but if I did I could be assured of winning I guess.

Now I can siege top-tier teams for 20 shots on end with only a loss or draw to show for it.

alidog

Over a whole season?

Can we see your data? Number of shots on target, shots off target, goals scored by both teams etc?

I'd be very interested in seeing it as it goes completely against what I found when I did a similar experiment a couple of versions ago.

mdschneids

@ cliff7197- 7.5 das playing 24h a day??? yeah you dont need to sleep. guess you also dont have many credability

@ dave C- http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7881/pic1eu9.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9105/pic2on8.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6158/pic3aj8.jpg
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look at the game statistics and see that i usually need 3 shots on goal to score, on another hand AI will score every 2 shots goals.
as you can see i still win games easily so i'm not going emotional on this thread
i'd also like to say that in Benfica-Porto all Porto goals were from corners.



@ Greg Andrade - interesting point but i still win so the AI tactic cant be that good

@ garf - what you said is true however i dont see AI players getting those kind of situations when attacking, they drible as fast as if they were without the ball

retired_euluis

Oh how I love pointing to this game A few years back Liverpool played Southampton at Anfield. In the end, Liverpool had 23 shots to none and most of the possession as well. The result? 0-0.

And how often through the years have I watched Man Utd lay siege to the opposition goal and throw everything at it except the kitchen sink only to come away with a draw or even a defeat?

And it also comes down to the quality of the shots. Having nine shots is not the same as having nine shots. Scoring one from every four from 8 yards out is massively different from scoring one from every nine from 25-30 yards.

*waits for "supaahhkeepaahh and oppositionscoreseverytimefrom40yardsevenwithcechin goal*

My_Evo

Yeah, a handful of screenshots of match stats are not the type of analysis you were claiming in your original post. Not even close.

Just admit it, you don't have hard data, because you have done no analysis. You've made rough estimates after the match as to how you perceived the match. You haven't gone back and thoroughly analysed every chance, every shot, player positioning etc.

And you seem happy to completely ignore the significance of tactics on all this, which casts doubt over your ability to make any kind of truly thorough study.