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I've read many times how this game is not playable and have heard arguments from both sides...I was rather enjoying this version until I got about half a season in, and looking deeper into the details, decided that this version is indeed unplayable as intended.
1) Tactic switch. For some reason, tactics doesn't stick and as I click to check my tactics during any match, very often I find that my set piece taker had changed, even positions I set them for free kicks and corners had changed.
A few times I was chasing a goal in the last 15 minutes and change my tactics to all out attack. I set individual players' tactics so I can effect a very attacking 4-3-3. I concede another goal and when I click to change tactics yet again, find that all my players are on the 'neutral' settings for most of the tactics.
If I have no idea what my players are doing during the match because tactics that I set do not stick, then this version is indeed unplayable.
2) Shot/goal ratio. Many threads have talked about this and many people believe it is down to tactics. I accept that in the most part it's down to tactics but when I read commentators state:
'what a howler'
'how'd he miss that?'
'he looks disgusted with himself'
'it was easy'
'even his manager has his head in his hands'
and so on, it cannot then be tactics. It must be the player's inability to score.
While it might be realistic if it happens every few matches, but now, I get this a few time every match.
An opponent Gk who has been conceding goals for fun suddenly becomes MOM when playing against me.
I get 20-25 shots on most matches (highly unrealistic if you ask me) but only once have I scored more than 3 goals.
Whatever the reason for this (some claim it's done to make the socre line realistic), it is more than killing the joy of the game. I, for one, have no idea how to tweak my tactics any more since the objective is to put players in scoring positions while preventing opponents from getting into similar positions. If strikers with finishing, composure above 16 cannot find the net when put into scoring positions, then this version is again unplayable because scoring now depend on more than just tactics and players' attributes (in other words, there is no way to know how to score goals since players' attributes means little and getting players into scoring positions do not matter).
3) Hold ball. When told to hold ball up, a player is suppose to hold the ball while his team mates move forward...not hold the ball, turn round and round until 2-3 opposite players converge on him and promptly loses possesion when most team mates are too far advance to come back to help.
I do get a fair few opponents yellow carded this way. (Maybe the player's favourite move is 'drawing yellow cards'??) But it doesn't help when I concede a few goals this way too..
I can accept this for lower league players but 'world class' players shouldn't be doing this over and over again, especially not when his passing, decision and technique are above 15. How difficult is it to just pass the ball?
This is infuriating because it's not as simple as 'just don't use hold ball'. As discussed many times since FM06, unless as managers, we know what we're telling the players to do and know what to expect on each tactic setting, we cannot figure out if players are 'good' or not.
This issue makes setting tactics quite silly since we're punting and hoping with every click.
I'm not saying we should see 100% of actions as set, but we should know what we hope to see. If one player is consistently not doing what I ask, then I can replace him. Surely, IRL, when a manager tells a player to bomb forward every chance he gets, the manager knows what he should see during a match? (not that it is tactically sound, or even if the player is capable of doing it; just that the manager can then take the blame if his tactics doesn't work out.)
I can then buy players (based on attributes scouted) who can play what I want from my team, or switch my tactics to suit my players. Right now, it's a lottery with no hope of managerial improvement as there is no lesson learnt. Every match is just another throw of the dice with no real logic to back it up.
In previous versions, this is a concern but is not a show stopper. But with the depth of this version, minor tweak of tactics could mean a 1-0 win turning into a 1-2 loss, then it is more than just a concern.
This is another issure why this version is unplayable as intended.
Before anyone tells me it's my tactics...yes I know...the problem is I have no idea why something is working and why somthing else is not. I'm getting players into scoring positions so my tactics should be sound. They just like to pass it to the GK.
Tactics become useless when the person setting it is not sure why and what he is doing. On top of this, I can't even blame my players for not carrying it out because I 'm not sure if it is still my tactics they are playing to or it's the 'default' tactics.
I'm still playing the game, but I don't think as intended. It's no longer Footy Manager, it's 'fat, dumb and happy' manager. tactics don't matter any more, all I hope is to bring my team to the top. I don't even check or change my tactics any more. Still won the F.A cup and came in second of the league. And all I do pretty much is click continue. (I used to spend 20-30 minutes tweaking my tactics for EVERY match, studying all the opposite players and their prefer moves and so on; and to try to neutralise them.) And forget about training, there is no improvement over one season but the second a player is injure, bam, all his attributes drop like flies.
I'm not flaming SI nor am I shouting for my money back. it is still a decent game for my entertainment. I just wish I could get the enjoyment of being a football manager back as in earlier versions of the series.
to tell you the truth there aare so many threads about this problem. I don't know why people must start a new thread, which is exagtly the same as many. these are all well known issuses.
my suggestion would be, try 1st beta patch. 1/1 are scored, there are not so many shots per game, defending is fine, tactics do whaat you set them.....
Originally posted by Wizard:
I've read many times how this game is not playable and have heard arguments from both sides...I was rather enjoying this version until I got about half a season in, and looking deeper into the details, decided that this version is indeed unplayable as intended.
1) Tactic switch. For some reason, tactics doesn't stick and as I click to check my tactics during any match, very often I find that my set piece taker had changed, even positions I set them for free kicks and corners had changed.
A few times I was chasing a goal in the last 15 minutes and change my tactics to all out attack. I set individual players' tactics so I can effect a very attacking 4-3-3. I concede another goal and when I click to change tactics yet again, find that all my players are on the 'neutral' settings for most of the tactics.
If I have no idea what my players are doing during the match because tactics that I set do not stick, then this version is indeed unplayable.
2) Shot/goal ratio. Many threads have talked about this and many people believe it is down to tactics. I accept that in the most part it's down to tactics but when I read commentators state:
'what a howler'
'how'd he miss that?'
'he looks disgusted with himself'
'it was easy'
'even his manager has his head in his hands'
and so on, it cannot then be tactics. It must be the player's inability to score.
While it might be realistic if it happens every few matches, but now, I get this a few time every match.
An opponent Gk who has been conceding goals for fun suddenly becomes MOM when playing against me.
I get 20-25 shots on most matches (highly unrealistic if you ask me) but only once have I scored more than 3 goals.
Whatever the reason for this (some claim it's done to make the socre line realistic), it is more than killing the joy of the game. I, for one, have no idea how to tweak my tactics any more since the objective is to put players in scoring positions while preventing opponents from getting into similar positions. If strikers with finishing, composure above 16 cannot find the net when put into scoring positions, then this version is again unplayable because scoring now depend on more than just tactics and players' attributes (in other words, there is no way to know how to score goals since players' attributes means little and getting players into scoring positions do not matter).
3) Hold ball. When told to hold ball up, a player is suppose to hold the ball while his team mates move forward...not hold the ball, turn round and round until 2-3 opposite players converge on him and promptly loses possesion when most team mates are too far advance to come back to help.
I do get a fair few opponents yellow carded this way. (Maybe the player's favourite move is 'drawing yellow cards'??) But it doesn't help when I concede a few goals this way too..
I can accept this for lower league players but 'world class' players shouldn't be doing this over and over again, especially not when his passing, decision and technique are above 15. How difficult is it to just pass the ball?
This is infuriating because it's not as simple as 'just don't use hold ball'. As discussed many times since FM06, unless as managers, we know what we're telling the players to do and know what to expect on each tactic setting, we cannot figure out if players are 'good' or not.
This issue makes setting tactics quite silly since we're punting and hoping with every click.
I'm not saying we should see 100% of actions as set, but we should know what we hope to see. If one player is consistently not doing what I ask, then I can replace him. Surely, IRL, when a manager tells a player to bomb forward every chance he gets, the manager knows what he should see during a match? (not that it is tactically sound, or even if the player is capable of doing it; just that the manager can then take the blame if his tactics doesn't work out.)
I can then buy players (based on attributes scouted) who can play what I want from my team, or switch my tactics to suit my players. Right now, it's a lottery with no hope of managerial improvement as there is no lesson learnt. Every match is just another throw of the dice with no real logic to back it up.
In previous versions, this is a concern but is not a show stopper. But with the depth of this version, minor tweak of tactics could mean a 1-0 win turning into a 1-2 loss, then it is more than just a concern.
This is another issure why this version is unplayable as intended.
Before anyone tells me it's my tactics...yes I know...the problem is I have no idea why something is working and why somthing else is not. I'm getting players into scoring positions so my tactics should be sound. They just like to pass it to the GK.
Tactics become useless when the person setting it is not sure why and what he is doing. On top of this, I can't even blame my players for not carrying it out because I 'm not sure if it is still my tactics they are playing to or it's the 'default' tactics.
I'm still playing the game, but I don't think as intended. It's no longer Footy Manager, it's 'fat, dumb and happy' manager. tactics don't matter any more, all I hope is to bring my team to the top. I don't even check or change my tactics any more. Still won the F.A cup and came in second of the league. And all I do pretty much is click continue. (I used to spend 20-30 minutes tweaking my tactics for EVERY match, studying all the opposite players and their prefer moves and so on; and to try to neutralise them.) And forget about training, there is no improvement over one season but the second a player is injure, bam, all his attributes drop like flies.
I'm not flaming SI nor am I shouting for my money back. it is still a decent game for my entertainment. I just wish I could get the enjoyment of being a football manager back as in earlier versions of the series.
I'm not sure why you are calling this post childish. It may be a repeat of many other posts, it may not even make a new point, but the OP has taken time to set out his frustrations in an unintelligible and adult way. He is not flaming nor whining, more stating his opinions.
If any post deserves to be criticised, it is the the FM Tester in your linked post. Calling people childish for stating their frustrations and concerns over a broken product that they have paid for is the height of arrogance. Not to mention that he probably feels the criticism all too personally, as the game was quite clearly not "tested" to the extend it should have been.
I have no problem with SI rushing to release FM08 to beat CM08, IF IF this did not have such a large impact on the game. Releasing a game just to say "FIRST" and then spending the next 6 months patching it to the point it should have been at release is just ridiculous.
The way things are going with FM releases, you only get to play a few months on a fully patched working game before the next release hits the stores.
Originally posted by Kriss:
I'm puzzled by this tactics saving problem.
Mine save every time and never revert, are you saving while in a match?
No mate, I'm not trying to save it during matches...during matches it's the complete opposite of tactics not sticking problem
I set out a few tactics and those do not stick on change. Meaning if I change the full tactics just before a match, while the players positions are correct, most if not all the 'internal' settings are wrong.
The problem during matches is if I see something that needs sorting and make a few clicks here and there, when I go back after 10 minutes of match time, they are all reverted to the previous settings instead of my newly tweaked settings.
That is why it's very annoying. I have no idea (after tactics tweak during matches) if players are carrying out my new instructions or sticking to the one which I saw problems with, unless I keep going back into the tactics screen.
Unplayability... 
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