Kriss

No mate, I'm not trying to save it during matches...during matches it's the complete opposite of tactics not sticking problem

I set out a few tactics and those do not stick on change. Meaning if I change the full tactics just before a match, while the players positions are correct, most if not all the 'internal' settings are wrong.

The problem during matches is if I see something that needs sorting and make a few clicks here and there, when I go back after 10 minutes of match time, they are all reverted to the previous settings instead of my newly tweaked settings.

That is why it's very annoying. I have no idea (after tactics tweak during matches) if players are carrying out my new instructions or sticking to the one which I saw problems with, unless I keep going back into the tactics screen. </BLOCKQUOTE>

This is most definitely not happening to me.

In theory something like an anti virus programme could be mucking up the temp files but that's fishing a bit.

I'd suggest a post on the bugs forum and keep a save game in case they ask for it.

Is anyone else getting this problem?

Wizard

Yes mate, heard that suggestion before. To go back to the beta patch would raise other old issues. It's a matter of which evil is easier to live with.

It is not about whether it is a well known issue. It is a matter of nothing is being said/done about them.

Unless SI says something meaningful, I suspect these will keep on coming out. To merely acknowledge that there is a problem is not good enough...and don't tell us we are playing the game wrong (it's your tactics etc...)

At the moment, it's the helpful/unhelpful comments from other users trying to get around the problem. The developer hasn't come up with a solution and that encourages more and more threads like mine in the hope that they will do something about them.

I've read many of those threads a while ago but only found myself in similar situation recently. You'd think it would be sorted by now...it's been quite a fair few weeks since those earlier threads.

I can guarantee you that if these issues are not sorted in another month, there will be new threads on them again and you can cut and paste all the necessary rebuttals from before.

I am not trying to get a raise out of other members...I'm trying to remind SI of these 'known' problems.

Wizard

No mate, I'm not trying to save it during matches...during matches it's the complete opposite of tactics not sticking problem

I set out a few tactics and those do not stick on change. Meaning if I change the full tactics just before a match, while the players positions are correct, most if not all the 'internal' settings are wrong.

The problem during matches is if I see something that needs sorting and make a few clicks here and there, when I go back after 10 minutes of match time, they are all reverted to the previous settings instead of my newly tweaked settings.

That is why it's very annoying. I have no idea (after tactics tweak during matches) if players are carrying out my new instructions or sticking to the one which I saw problems with, unless I keep going back into the tactics screen. </BLOCKQUOTE>

This is most definitely not happening to me.

In theory something like an anti virus programme could be mucking up the temp files but that's fishing a bit.

I'd suggest a post on the bugs forum and keep a save game in case they ask for it.

Is anyone else getting this problem? </BLOCKQUOTE>

There are quite a few people with similar problems in the bugs forum. No definitive solution just yet.

I've included it here to state why I think the game is not playable as intended.

Jam Man

Not had any problems at all saving tactics.

Its a very blanket statement to say it makes the game unplayable.

May well be unplayable for you if affected but bear in mind many dont have that particular issue.

Wegason

Ans you have done so in an intelligent, well constructed, and logical manner. I for one applaud you.

Those who revert to shouting "its your tactics" every time someone suggests there might be a flaw in the game should really open up their closed minds to the fact that FM is not perfect, it is still a great game, but it is not perfect, the match engine released when the game first came out was to be honest, a joke in my eyes.

Wizard

Mate..I never claimed that the game is unplayable for you or others...just that it's unplayable for me as I love to tweak my tactics as I go. Under the circumstances, it's unplayable for me to the way I feel FM should be played. I'm just clicking continue and accepting whatever result comes...I might as well just watch footy on tele. (meaning I'm not playing Football manager, I'm playing football spectator.)

Wizard

Ans you have done so in an intelligent, well constructed, and logical manner. I for one applaud you.

Those who revert to shouting "its your tactics" every time someone suggests there might be a flaw in the game should really open up their closed minds to the fact that FM is not perfect, it is still a great game, but it is not perfect, the match engine released when the game first came out was to be honest, a joke in my eyes. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers mate...

To be fair, SI have made some changes to that in the hope that the game is more 'stable'...unfortunately, it has created new problems..

chopper99

Firstly, I'm enjoying the game and have not so far had any problems (and often defend the game against people who just like to moan about anything)

But, that said, I can certainly see why people would find the two issues outlined in the opening post very frustrating.

I've never noticed the tactics not sticking issue, but that's probably because I like to make a balanced tactic and rarely change anything about that tactic, either before or during games (this may be partly due to the fact that I'm a little scared of any changes I do make causing a relatively solid tactic to fall apart). But if this is a fairly common issue then it's very serious.

And now onto the tactical ambiguity. As I said, I've managed to make a tactic that's relatively good and is giving me decent results with Gateshead. However, I think it's absolutely essential that some sort of feedback system or analysis system is included in the next installment of this series.

As the tactical side has become more difficult and more important, the feedback on what works and what doesn't has not improved to match this. People don't care about losing if they understand why. And in the same way, when winning, people want to be able to know what it was they did to bring about that victory. At the same time they don't want to be told how to win games, just WHY things are, or are not working.

Currently most users doesn't have anywhere near the same level of understanding as the AI managers when it comes to using the tactical options. The tactical system in the game is good, people just want the tools to help them understand how to use it to full effectiveness.

In real life managers are able to ask the opinion of their assistants if they want to, and are able to analyse previous games to see where they went wrong. Why can't we?

mitja

if you read some of mine posts you would see that I'm not defending the game. on official patch it's completly unplayable, starting with defensive bug...

I'm definetly for constructive debate and I can see your posts are inteligent, so I apologize. but to tell you the truth I don't think SI give a sh/t about that, thay have their customers, who will buy the game anyway-&gt; if I0m wrong they wouldn't release such a patch/game.

mitja

so if somebody manages 30, 40 shots per game, and game after game, that means that they suck at tactics? PaulC said that ME tweaks the scores, in manner that there aren't too many goals per match. that tells you all. they screwed.