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Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game?
I started experimenting with this, as an idea to try and fix the "positional issues" with my full backs, (whereby they seem to prefer to defend "side on" rather than "goal-side") of a player with the ball.
I can't say that I am noticing any difference.
My wide defenders still "show" their opposite man the outside at almost every opportunity.
At first I just put this down to the poor quality of my players and their inability to follow my pretty basic instructions.
I'm not sure now that this is the case.
How are you finding the implementation of these instructions.
12-12-2007, 01:24 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #2
I use "show onto foot" very often. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure about your team instructions so I can't give any specific advice but I think I can say that your team's width, man marking/tight marking, your defender's abilities all have some kind of effect on this. They might not be able to do it because the opposing player plays very wide/central. My personal experience is that when it functions(when the situation is applicable), it functions the way it should: The defender plays the winger out wide or to the centre depending on your instructions.
12-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #3
As someone who's been using the opposition instructions since FM07 I'm also now starting to wonder if they actually have any effect.
I'm playing as Gateshead and for the first two and a half seasons used opposition instructions before every game to show wingers and strikers onto their weaker feet and hard tackle players with low bravery.
The problem I'm having is that I never see any of the effects of using this on the pitch. I've never once noticed my defenders or full backs actually showing anyone onto their left/right foot during a highlight and have never seen any evidence of anyone getting a harder than normal tackle put on them.
This makes it difficult to judge whether the instructions actually have any effect. Towards the end of my 3rd season (my first season in the Blue Square Premier) I was sitting in 11th place and just decided to stop bothering with opposition instructions all together. I went on a 5 game winning streak and for a brief time was in the play-off places. My form then took a bit of a nose dive and I ended the season in 10th, one place above where I'd been before I stopped using opposition instructions.
Were my form and performances effected at all when I stopped using them? I genuinely have no idea. It seems not as I went on a bit of a winning streak. But I then went on a losing streak. But was this just down to tiredness at the end of the season or something. The problem is I don't know, and personally haven't seen the opposition instructions working.
12-12-2007, 04:22 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #4
Might also depend on whether you watch a full game or not. Forcing the winger onto the weaker foot might result in him losing the ball or failing to set up a chance for your opponents, which means it may not show up in the match highlights.
Personally, I stopped using the option when the FB showed the winger onto his weaker foot, as instructed, and the winger simply cut inside to place a through ball to the striker, who scored.
12-12-2007, 04:59 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #5
I'm surprised to see people aren't seeing the effects of the instructions. Maybe they just aren't showing up on the highlights like dontcallitsoccer said. I watch extended highlights so I can see the occasional "showing the winger inside" with the defender getting a last ditch tackle. Unless you've screwed up the instructions and the winger you thought should be forced inside dribbled to the centre and scored, I doubt these will show up in key highlights.
chopper: I've stopped worrying whether any of my instructions are working. I watched a friend who was new to the series manage a Turkish 2nd division team. He didn't care about tactics or anything so he just picked the standard 4-4-2 and hit continue. His team somehow dominated with simply no instructions at all. He stopped playing the game because he felt the game was "too easy". After seeing that I just give instructions and convince myself I'm making my team play they would with those tactics IRL.
12-12-2007, 05:06 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #6
Here’s my theory on why it doesn’t appear to make that much of an effect just based on my observations of it.
I set up a match between Man Utd and Arsenal where I was controlling both teams. I set the Arsenal full backs to show the Man Utd wingers to the inside and vice versa. These are the conclusions I came to from testing it., with the main issues being team width, the positioning of players relative to the team width and the pace of the opposing players.
You can only match defensive team width to the opposition attacking team width if they are playing at the extreme opposites of the team width settings i.e. if the attacking team is set to the far left narrow and the defending team is set to the far right wide of the slider. In all other settings of the team width slider there tends to be spacing between the full back and the winger across the pitch.
So whenever a winger picks up the ball and starts running down the sideline the full back will usually find himself closing that winger down from an angle that naturally leads to the winger maintaining his run down the outside. The fullback typically finds himself unable to get to a position where he is directly in front of the dribbling winger and able to influence which direction the winger can go in.
You see it in action in the following screenshots. Rosicky (7) picks up a long pass from Sagna (2) at right back and because of Arsenal being set to the far right of wide in team instructions O’Shea (2) finds himself chasing back from his narrower defensive position but without the pace to get goalside of Rosicky to push him to the inside.
In the following screenshots you see Sagna (2) gets dispossessed by Giggs (7) who sprints down the wing with the ball. But in this case Sagna catches up and manages to get goalside, consequently forcing Giggs to the inside, which the in game commentary reflected.
Both of the above screenshots are what I generally observed which was that when a passage of play panned out in such a way that the defender was in a position to implement the ‘show onto foot’ instruction he generally would. But as others have mentioned sometimes they just wouldn’t force the opposition winger to the inside.
Like I said the above is just my theory on it, others may have experienced differently. So if you think what I wrote is a load of bullocks feel free to say so as I’m not the type who is going to hijack the thread with petty insults.
12-12-2007, 05:20 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #7
Originally posted by delibey:
chopper: I've stopped worrying whether any of my instructions are working. I watched a friend who was new to the series manage a Turkish 2nd division team. He didn't care about tactics or anything so he just picked the standard 4-4-2 and hit continue. His team somehow dominated with simply no instructions at all. He stopped playing the game because he felt the game was "too easy". After seeing that I just give
instructions and convince myself I'm making my team play they would with those tactics IRL.
So why are you playing at all?
12-12-2007, 05:36 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #8
I set opposition MCs to Show Weaker Foot every game, and frequently see them being shown such. They tend to drift somewhat square across the pitch looking for a pass with their off foot away from my defending MC, so ... yes, I'd say it works.
isuckatfm is spot on with his winger observations ... when they can be shown, they are. It's often, though, that the defender is out of position.
12-12-2007, 06:29 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #9
I do it for every game and to me it seems to have some effect as I don't concede many goals. Not to mention I'm a lower league side from Eastern Europe.
I'm not sure how to explain it or prove it, but I can definately see in some games where my defender puts the opposing striker into a position which does just that as instructed.
12-12-2007, 06:43 PM
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? Post #10
I only do it away from home against players who are obviously very creative (usually ignoring the scout or picking out someone other than his 'dangerman'). Seems to work then. The problem is, better/more intelligent players will suss out the defender and will beat him on occasions. You can't expect a winger to be in the full-back's pocket just because you use 'show onto weaker foot'. In any case, there are players that this won't work against, because their 'weaker' foot is still rated as being fairly strong, meaning it's something more than a peg to balance on. So I use opposite foot for players with 'left/right only', weaker foot for players that only favour a certain foot, and I don't bother at all for those who can use either.
Do the pre-game "show onto foot" instructions have ANY effect whatsoever on what happens on the pitch during a game? 
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