retired_janearific

I know, but with leadership must come some sort of responsibilty dont you think </BLOCKQUOTE>

How would you feel if you were a captain and some mouthy twat in your side wouldn't shut up and got you sent off. How could you stop him from giving verbals to the ref ?? You can't control his temper, only he can. The only way for him to learn how to control it is to make sure he knows the consequences of his actions - and the best way is to punish him directly so it affects both him and the team, not just the team itself.

retired_susan mcdonald

Rugby players do not come from a higher class than footballers in Wales. Welsh players still show the same amount of respect as other Rugby players. Ergo, it's not a class thing. </BLOCKQUOTE>

ergo it's because TRADITIONALLY rugby players come from a higher class. It's the way the sport formed which matters because that set all the trends for the years to come. Doesn't really matter too much now where the players are from because the social ways you're allowed to act are already in the sport. read up on how the two sports formed and you'll see that rugby was for the richer people and football was for the poor.

Ventil

A card punishment for the captain in regards to another players misdemeanours is obviously not going to work.

A team punishment would though.
Refs in rugby are allowed to alter the direction of a penalty for bad language and the sort.
The same could be used in Football.

As a captain it is then his imperative to keep his players in line.

Ventil

Umm would you like to re-read that and see if it makes any sense the second time round.

It is ability based in England as well, it is just that it is predominantly played by the higher classes.
Our highest capped forward of all time was a former hod carrier.

retired_susan mcdonald

yep nothing better than a ref changing the penalty given because one of your stupid players has mouthed off and causing the whole team to kick him into shape/

retired_paeng2000

yep nothing better than a ref changing the penalty given because one of your stupid players has mouthed off and causing the whole team to kick him into shape/ </BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a good idea

retired_derek

yep nothing better than a ref changing the penalty given because one of your stupid players has mouthed off and causing the whole team to kick him into shape/ </BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a good idea </BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed.

retired_bemesel

yep nothing better than a ref changing the penalty given because one of your stupid players has mouthed off and causing the whole team to kick him into shape/ </BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a good idea </BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. </BLOCKQUOTE>

And if the captain gets sent off? Keep passing on the captains armband?

retired_hbjohns

Umm would you like to re-read that and see if it makes any sense the second time round.

It is ability based in England as well, it is just that it is predominantly played by the higher classes.
Our highest capped forward of all time was a former hod carrier. </BLOCKQUOTE>

It does as I know at least 3 people whose parents have paid their way into Premiership academies, whilst other better players of the same age don't even get trials.

retired_bemesel

Umm would you like to re-read that and see if it makes any sense the second time round.

It is ability based in England as well, it is just that it is predominantly played by the higher classes.
Our highest capped forward of all time was a former hod carrier. </BLOCKQUOTE>

It does as I know at least 3 people whose parents have paid their way into Premiership academies, whilst other better players of the same age don't even get trials. </BLOCKQUOTE>

You should put that in the Trevor Brooking thread.
Nepotism is rife in football.
So many ordinary players I've played with in the past who went on to a good level. Semi-pro or pro.