[retired_kevh16]

Maybe its because Trescothick proved himself as a fb player consistently up until he went a bit crackers.

Vaughan on the other hand only really had that one year and since then hasn't been a good enough batsman to justify his place in the team.

Face it, if it wasn't for Vaughans captaincy he would be at best our 9th choice bastman (Assuming everyone is fit/not mental):

Pietersen
Bell
Cook
Trescothick
Strauss
Collingwood
Shah
Joyce
Vaughan

[brianjohn]

Originally posted by Cottager:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Go-Go:
Ah of course, Tressy ifb.

Originally posted by Go-Go:
You seriously think Vaughan is still a good long-term prospect for England Cottager? So so injury prone. Have just looked at some stats and he averages 35 over his last ten tests - better than I thought to be honest, and his leadership is important, but still not really good enough in my opinion, and a poor fielder - wouldn't like to see him keep brighter prospects out of the side.

Shah might not be the right answer but I'm pretty sure Vaughan isn't either, immense as he used to be as a batsmen and probaby still is as a captain.

that's what frustrates me beyond belief. vaughan is 1 year older than tres. over their last ten tests, vaughan averages 35 and tres averages 34. vaughan's a tremendous captain. tres' mentalness is about equal to vaughan's injuries as they could both miss games at any moment.

yet through all of that, you see vaughan into the team as a backwards step, whilst tres is the answer. that's terrible </BLOCKQUOTE>

Tressy ifb more of a throwaway comment to be honest - looking at the test team at the moment Cook, Strauss, Colly, KP, Bell and Flintoff (seven) would all certainly be in my top, fully-fit side (I would play with four frontline bowlers) - and then the seventh batsmen being either Trescothick/Vaughan/Shah/Joyce/someone else.

Arguments for all of their inclusion imo, have to remember that in some of those matches Trescothick was dealing with off-the-field issues, and personally I find it easier to imagine him coming back from that than Vaughan stringing together a run of fitness. Plus Trescothick was opening, I would say that 34 from an opener was more valuable than 35 for your number 3/4? Also - Trescothick our best slip, so a far better fielder than Vaughan (although obviously can't forget Vaughan's captaincy).

So hardly 'terrible' - oh and Tressy one of our better players of spin, an area in which our batting is fairly weak.

Sadly doesn't lok like a great deal more play today, god darn it.

[retired_slk55]

tresco averages 1 run higher in about ten more tests. vaughan has more test centuries, and a conversion rate that is lightyears ahead. consistency is a nice word, but for 1 run an innings, I'd probably prefer to have a genuinely good captain actually

[DD23]

Originally posted by theis:


Vaughan on the other hand only really had that one year and since then hasn't been a good enough batsman to justify his place in the team.

Face it, if it wasn't for Vaughans captaincy he would be at best our 9th choice bastman (Assuming everyone is fit/not mental):

Pietersen
Bell
Cook
Trescothick
Strauss
Collingwood
Shah
Joyce
Vaughan

15 Test hundreds beg to differ

[brianjohn]

Shah will smash a huge double century next innings anyway :thup:

[retired_kevh16]

Originally posted by Cottager:
tresco averages 1 run higher in about ten more tests. vaughan has more test centuries, and a conversion rate that is lightyears ahead. consistency is a nice word, but for 1 run an innings, I'd probably prefer to have a genuinely good captain actually

With the exception of last year (where several factors meant that Tresco was dogshit, Trescothick has been by far the better batsman for England since the start of 2003.

[retired_mika318]

ffs Pietersen

[trotamundos]

Are they doing like the WC and sticking this on 5LiveXtra?

[retired_audberry]

Originally posted by theis:
Maybe its because Trescothick proved himself as a fb player consistently up until he went a bit crackers.

Vaughan on the other hand only really had that one year and since then hasn't been a good enough batsman to justify his place in the team.

Face it, if it wasn't for Vaughans captaincy he would be at best our 9th choice bastman (Assuming everyone is fit/not mental):

Pietersen
Bell
Cook
Trescothick
Strauss
Collingwood
Shah
Joyce
Vaughan

Shah and Joyce above Vaughan? Mental

[retired_linton_justin]

So someone with 15 test hundreds to their name is worth less than someone with none?