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Originally posted by Jongi:
for me the deciding factor is whether you are using a public platform. If you are using one then expect the diverse reactions that are inherent from the public.
Disclaimer: Still have not read Zaitsev's commenst and unlikely to do tbh
I'm not sure the 'public platform' thing is a good enough excuse, at the actual time when a person has died. There's a kind of cool off period, because you're touching people's raw emotions and in fact because it IS a public forum you should actually be more aware of the grief - whether you share it or not - of the other public people.
Then again, perhaps it also depends on the death. If it was someone like Margret Thatcher - she is still alive isn't she? - I think a lot of people would post, thank ****.
09-16-2007, 01:23 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #62
Originally posted by Father Senegal:
I dont think people are trying to display understanding and solidarity at all, quite the opposite, I would think that parents were/are merely showing a level of empathy as to how horrific it must be to lose a child like that in such circumstances (and whilst liverpool is bad I dont think 11 yr olds getting shot dead in drive bys is that commonplace)
Re the celeb thing I do sort of agree in some ways, but then you have to have context, the one celeb death that really did me was David Rocastles, having literally watched his Arsenal career right from the start, met him on a few occasions, I cried for hours when he died.
The parents' conduct hasn't bothered me (although quite why they made an appearance at Anfield I don't know - the same as if they had been regular Liverpool fans I'd be perturbed at a visit to Goodison), it's more the atmosphere in the city, the reactions in the media (and the people who phone - some of the people here will have heard the Pete Price show stuff.) My point is not about age itself - I make no difference between an 11yr old innocent, an 18yr old innocent, a 60 year old innocent; they are all deserving of some form of sorrow.
Footballers I think are a little different, in the sense that an attachment is grown due to the exposure a fan will get - being at the match and witness to their moments, in your case actually meeting the chap. I wouldn't condemn your reaction to Rocastle for those reasons. In the Rallychap case, I doubt many people on here will have formed that same bond due to seeing him, or meeting him on numerous occassions.
...and I still maintain there were no particularly despicable comments in that thread.
09-16-2007, 01:24 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #63
the sadness of 9/11 was massively overridden by the sheer 'wtf' factor.
until, like I said, some of the individual stories you hear later on.
not sure about 7/7.. its weird.. for some reason I dont remember being particularly panicky about that - even though there were plenty of people I know who could easily have been caught up in it in some way :/
09-16-2007, 01:26 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #64
Originally posted by Mika:
Well, that's putting it a bit too cold actually, it does register, but I wouldn't say that it affects me.
But it's much more of an big deal to me if it is someone I have followed for years or have met, which is surely natural. And it's not too much to ask in those situations that those who don't care keep their opinions to themselves is it?
I made a "joke" about the camel woman (was it a camel?) but wouldn't mock a celeb death and find it pathetic that people quite literally race to get the first quip in, it's really really sad.
09-16-2007, 01:27 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #65
Such mass events such as the Tsunami and 9/11, they feel too far away and just too big to comprehend sometimes for me.
However I visited Ground Zero last year, and it really moved me quite a lot, just the whole atmosphere and feeling around the place. Hard to describe really
09-16-2007, 01:27 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #66
Originally posted by Zaitsev:
...and I still maintain there were no particularly despicable comments in that thread.
Don't you think that it's at least a bit disrespectful to make rally jokes and other assorted comments like that about a reasonably high profile person who has possibly died, who some people on the forum will have grown up watching though?
I agree that there was nothing "OMG that's absolutely disgusting and way out of order" in there, but the jokes were unnecessary and were always likely to cause offence to fans of his in particular.
09-16-2007, 01:27 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #67
In the Rallychap case, I doubt many people on here will have formed that same bond due to seeing him, or meeting him on numerous occassions.
so fans of a footballer can feel sadness at them dying, but fans of a rally driver should just shrug it off? is there a list anywhere of genres of celebrity it's acceptable to mourn?
09-16-2007, 01:28 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #68
Originally posted by BBB:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mika:
Well, that's putting it a bit too cold actually, it does register, but I wouldn't say that it affects me.
But it's much more of an big deal to me if it is someone I have followed for years or have met, which is surely natural. And it's not too much to ask in those situations that those who don't care keep their opinions to themselves is it?
I made a "joke" about the camel woman (was it a camel?) but wouldn't mock a celeb death and find it pathetic that people quite literally race to get the first quip in, it's really really sad. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Why is the celeb worth more than the camel woman?
09-16-2007, 01:30 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #69
btw I havent seen the thread so I have no idea what the outrage is about, Im just trying to convey why I think peope show emotion in deaths that they arent directly close to.
09-16-2007, 01:30 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #70
Originally posted by ACou2000:
not sure about 7/7.. its weird.. for some reason I dont remember being particularly panicky about that - even though there were plenty of people I know who could easily have been caught up in it in some way :/
7/7 bothered me even less than 9/11 to be honest, largely as I slept through it
But I had been to London once at the time, didn't know anybody there at the time and in many ways had no more of a connection to that than 9/11. Again it felt too distant to really affect me personally.
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