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Originally posted by Zaitsev:
A postscript to the RJ thing - I will respect people's right to mourn if they so wish (although I will try not to let my rolling eyes show), but it's the almost demanding attitude that EVERYONE must grieve in THIS way at THIS time or you're a heartless bastard who doesn't deserve to live.
see this analogy just doesnt carry across to the other thread.
NOBODY was "demanding" others come in and grieve with them
it was the likes of you coming in specifically to show how little you gave a sh*t, which was the pointless and retarded bit
09-16-2007, 01:03 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #32
Originally posted by ACou2000:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Zaitsev:
A postscript to the RJ thing - I will respect people's right to mourn if they so wish (although I will try not to let my rolling eyes show), but it's the almost demanding attitude that EVERYONE must grieve in THIS way at THIS time or you're a heartless bastard who doesn't deserve to live.
whs
see this analogy just doesnt carry across to the other thread.
NOBODY was "demanding" others come in and grieve with them
it was the likes of you coming in specifically to show how little you gave a sh*t, which was the pointless and retarded bit </BLOCKQUOTE>
09-16-2007, 01:04 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #33
Celebrities/sports stars/royalty etc are in the public eye consistently. People grow an emotional attachment to such people. When they die, especially unexpectedly, people are sad that someone they saw so much of is dead. People who then make flippant comments without thinking or ill-conceived jokes are chastised by those who had this emotional attachment.
well said tbh.
09-16-2007, 01:06 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #34
Originally posted by ACou2000:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Zaitsev:
A postscript to the RJ thing - I will respect people's right to mourn if they so wish (although I will try not to let my rolling eyes show), but it's the almost demanding attitude that EVERYONE must grieve in THIS way at THIS time or you're a heartless bastard who doesn't deserve to live.
see this analogy just doesnt carry across to the other thread.
NOBODY was "demanding" others come in and grieve with them
it was the likes of you coming in specifically to show how little you gave a sh*t, which was the pointless and retarded bit </BLOCKQUOTE>
My aim is not to come across as "not giving a ****" nor was it specific. I come in, I note the tone of the thread (and also the fact he's not confirmed dead) and make some harmless comment about his wealth and how he's probably fine. How's that offensive? How is it retarded or pointless? What's staggering about that thread is that I don't read any comments as being outlandish. There's nothing like "thank **** that **** is dead, I hate rallying" [which I do, but that's not the point] or similarly base jokes. Just weak efforts.
Anyway, I'm talking generally here, rather than specifically about that thread when I made the above postcript.
09-16-2007, 01:07 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #35
Emotional attachment to death is a funny thing actually. I was going to agree with Zaitsev on the 9/11 7/7 whatever other number thing - it didn't really affect me personally that much and I was going to say that the sheer scale of the numbers perhaps made it hard to attach too.
On the other hand, I've stood on a bay on a Island, where over 100 years ago a whole fleet of fisherman left to go fishing and was virtually wiped out in a storm that came unexpectedly - and felt some sort of emotional thing about that, which is daft.
The problem for me would come when someone I couldn't stand died, but I would probably just try to ignore the thread really.
09-16-2007, 01:09 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #37
Originally posted by ACou2000:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Zaitsev:
A postscript to the RJ thing - I will respect people's right to mourn if they so wish (although I will try not to let my rolling eyes show), but it's the almost demanding attitude that EVERYONE must grieve in THIS way at THIS time or you're a heartless bastard who doesn't deserve to live.
see this analogy just doesnt carry across to the other thread.
NOBODY was "demanding" others come in and grieve with them
it was the likes of you coming in specifically to show how little you gave a sh*t, which was the pointless and retarded bit </BLOCKQUOTE>
should there be separate threads for those who want to appreciate and those who want to disclaim?
09-16-2007, 01:09 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #38
Originally posted by oasis.alex:
heh you cant even have the decency to correctly spell his name
if you dont care about it simply dont post in the thread
I really cannot be bothered to look up the spelling of the chaps name. I'm sure it's the last thing on the mind of his family at the moment. Decency ffs, behave yourself.
09-16-2007, 01:09 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #39
I've been trying to word a post summarising my thoughts on this for the past 15 minutes and I'm really struggling to put my point into text and actually get across what I mean without being misinterpreted.
Peacemaker7's post is probably quite close to what I want to say though. There are a lot of celebrities who die that I don't care about in the slightest, but that doesn't mean it is ok to go and make disrespectful comments which are both inappropriate, and upset people who do care.
I do think that there is a valid point to be made in some situations, but for incidents like McRae, and other situations covered by Becks, it's not really asking too much for him to be treated with respect is it? Especially given the fact that a number of people will have seen him race at some point and feel some sort of connection with him.
09-16-2007, 01:10 AM
Dancing on the grave - no over sentimental grief culture in here kthx. Post #40
Originally posted by Zaitsev:
A postscript to the RJ thing - I will respect people's right to mourn if they so wish (although I will try not to let my rolling eyes show), but it's the almost demanding attitude that EVERYONE must grieve in THIS way at THIS time or you're a heartless bastard who doesn't deserve to live.
When a funeral is held, the mourners attend. They are not interrupted by random people bursting in making jokes every few minutes. Anyone who is not affected by the death stays away.
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