Bacardi

You can say nothing about that which goes beyond your understanding. Most people feel the need to have an opinion on everything, but all knowledge is always a deformed simplification.
It can be so that apples do fall off the trees because some invisible rainbow-coloured little guy who lives on one of tempel's comets decides they have to, but even if that's the truth, it leaves us in a void. Gravity, limited as it may be to a theory (math with axioms) and a practice (experiments under artificial lab conditions), and simplified to a constant (which it isn't) at least gives us the chance to do something like getting a rocket to Mars.

Besides: sice Einstein we know that a planet falls directly to the sun and it's only because space is curved that it turns round and round and round...

stanislav

Hi guys,

This is really interesting stuff. i readed a lot bout these things.
Imo nothing lasts forever only change itself.
But my english is not so good to elaborate things but i like to share my toughts on this.
I allways believed in "god" but not anymore since i readed some "zen" books. If god created some kind of bigbang who or what created god himself ??
And why we can't see the universe as god ? All people and creations are part of are universe, even our thoughts, creations and rules. So why can't
have our universe can't have some kind of "inteligence" that is exploring itself trough human and maybe other minds. One thing is for shure creations are first born as a tought and we people can create virtually anything.

Damn i wish my english was better so i could explain better.
Or maybe u guys can take a crashcourse in dutch

Welles

Wow! I didn't know that! 8} :B \:]

chillman

Ronmatt,
I was only being playful with the wierd comment. [innocent] Please don't take offense. I am sure you were and are a fantastick father and family man. Just in jest.

Peace all!

Chillman

Raven

B7 I enjoy listening to other's ideas about such topics. I guess it's the sharing of the ideas, the interchange itself, perhaps more often than whether or not any "solution" is arrived at that inspires me. Finding "answers" to questions is useful to a certain point, practical and applicable, but the exploring of the questions itself has many interesting rewards that don't seem so apparent at the outset, imo.

I guess (and I'm sorry that I don't speak Dutch or French or Spanish, etc. etc. because I really would love to listen to people expressing themselves as they are most comfortable with their language -- things don't translate into English always too well, and I think English misses the boat in expressing what other languages perhaps can...anyway, my apologies there if what I say seems weird [confused] ) I am trying to say I think that even those things we think we have a working knowledge of is really only a limited knowledge but it's useful to us to certain degrees (until a randomness peeks over the fence and surprises us with an "unexpected" result we hadn't planned for).......we observe cause and effect as only we are capable of at present (but we advance our meager knowledge as we advance in our creativity in invention of better "tools" thanks to our mental faculties).....and so depending on what our invented "tools of the moment" are, and our creativity in thought allows us to translate from that, in doing that we gather information and try to organize it into something we can work with. We feel we have certainly made progress over the eons...no doubt we have in tecnology and many other ways...but perhaps in doing so we forget some things too. Things which are much more than all the technology we have become so fascinated with....and just in my way of thinking could determine just how long we will be around here to continue pondering our questions.

Mathematics seems to be thought of as the answer in science to explain most everything. That with it as the tool the cosmos is just a tick tock away from our complete understanding because we think we've got mathematics down pretty well and are satisfied with most of what it tells us and has allowed us to build in the physical world (but there, I would even say I rather doubt that too....just look at pi as an example, just numbers....we can use it, but will we ever get to the final "solution" there? Supercomputers are working on it -- and pi keeps throwing in the randomness that is a reminder perhaps that some things may have no end even if they may have a so-called "beginning" (again a term that in its own limits and definition strikes me as "alien" somehow, simply another boundery we have constructed for our use, but doesn't necessarily mean anything in a cosmic sort of sense)....but mathematics is outta my league. I don't have mathematical knowledge enough to go beyond just these sorts of calculations, I get bogged down in mathematics and its sets of rules and restrictions and frameworks and that's fine -- but mathematics doesn't provide "answers" to the questions I have, the questions that are proposed in this topic.... ).

I "feel" the "questions" are the most important aspect of -- well, "everything" (whatever that is!). [confused] [bustagut]

The questions and "mysteries" we find have a beauty, imo. I haven't words to express it here......but I think we all feel it. And I feel we try often to express what we have trouble in languages with our artwork. A picture can be worth more than a thousand words, after all.

For me, it isn't "answers" it's the exploration or the ideas, the quest,
the voyage......

Yeah, I'm on a voyage is how I feel about it all. Things to ever discover on and on. I just enjoy that. I enjoy hearing what others are discovering on their own voyages, its inspiring and something is always experienced and perhaps learned from it.

I'm simple. 8D I don't spend all my time with these thoughts....I'll put on my dunce cap and live the moment 8} as I'm a creature equipped to do. (Hey, but sometimes the dance is what it's all about.)But I wish to say that only on one basis do we have "limitations" -- that being what we decide to settle for in answers to anything. It seems to me at this point for myself at least. The "answers" don't give a hoot about us....so why hem ourselves into "sets" of current notions about anything, be it science, philosophies, religions, etc....? There is a vastness of new ideas and things to explore around every corner, it does go ever on an on (down from the door from which it began ) and what we think we "know" for certain in this moment of time in this diminesion we experience changes into ever more fascinating and new (new in our personal views) experiences.

I'm open to the point where my brain just about falls out (oops! Too late! [bustagut] ).....

For me, just imo, the concept of "God" is equal to "everything" = within everything, within all of us, within every rock and tree and creature and atom, etc.......all possibilities, no limitations, evolving, eternal. No certain type of church building of any kind is needed to express it, no man made religion even can but describe but a portion of it.


Split a piece of wood and it is there, lift a stone and you will find it.....



Seek and you shall find...yeah! Enjoy the voyage! B7


Oh well......a fun freeform ramble.....I'm like a kid in school, but when the door is flung open wide for recess I run out into the fresh air -- yahoooooo! 8D 8D 8}

Silky

This is an interesting topic.....mysteries of the universe. I believe in God, who created and is holding the universe together. Thiere is just too many unexplaned phenominons and mysteries to not believe in something/someone greater, who is behind it all. Human kind is just beginning to tap into the vastness of the univers. Even down-to-earth things like gravity are still yet to be explaned. We no it's there, we just don't know what exactly it is or how it works. It's just a invisible force in which atoms are atracted to one another, like magnatism.
There is still more mysterious phenominons like "dark matter". It's difficult to find and study because it's nearly undetectable. We do know that these particled are zooming through space and is able to penetrate matter, but we don't what they are or what they do.
We still have yet to uncover some of the mysteries that lie at the bottom of our oceans.
Human knowledge will continue to increase as we uncover the mysteries of the universe, but will there be an end to what can be discovered? Probably not.