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Old 09-03-2007, 07:57 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #21
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I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
The question isn't whether they are willing to take it. The question is whether the rest of us are willing to pay for it or whether the resources might be better used to fund something else that would have to be sacrificed instead.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:04 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #22
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
The question isn't whether they are willing to take it. The question is whether the rest of us are willing to pay for it or whether the resources might be better used to fund something else that would have to be sacrificed instead. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Experimental by it's very name means it needs to be trialled. If we used that mentality we'd still be stuck with penicillin and aspirin.

Clinical trials take years before results are firm.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:14 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #23
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Doog:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Gregg Carter:
I'm actually starting to wonder whether it's actually right for the NHS to pay ludicrous amounts of money to people with what are essentially terminal diseases.

£3000 a month just for somebody to be more comfortable due to their illness seems very wasteful to me tbh.
so they should just be left to die in agony then? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not? </BLOCKQUOTE>

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Old 09-03-2007, 08:15 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #24
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Originally posted by Fat Bhoy Tim:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
The question isn't whether they are willing to take it. The question is whether the rest of us are willing to pay for it or whether the resources might be better used to fund something else that would have to be sacrificed instead. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Experimental by it's very name means it needs to be trialled. If we used that mentality we'd still be stuck with penicillin and aspirin.

Clinical trials take years before results are firm. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, yeah, obviously. That has no relation to what I wrote though.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:15 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #25
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I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
Come on BG, the NHS doesn't have infinite resources - it can only afford so much. It's potentially a case of either an experimental drug for one, or a proven cheaper drug for many
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:18 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #26
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Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Fat Bhoy Tim:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
The question isn't whether they are willing to take it. The question is whether the rest of us are willing to pay for it or whether the resources might be better used to fund something else that would have to be sacrificed instead. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Experimental by it's very name means it needs to be trialled. If we used that mentality we'd still be stuck with penicillin and aspirin.

Clinical trials take years before results are firm. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, yeah, obviously. That has no relation to what I wrote though. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it does.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:18 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #27
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Originally posted by Fat Bhoy Tim:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cobbler:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
The question isn't whether they are willing to take it. The question is whether the rest of us are willing to pay for it or whether the resources might be better used to fund something else that would have to be sacrificed instead. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Experimental by it's very name means it needs to be trialled. If we used that mentality we'd still be stuck with penicillin and aspirin.

Clinical trials take years before results are firm. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Unless I'm not read this right... trials don't work just by giving the drug to people and seeing what happens - actual studies need to be done - and that's more than just giving someone a drug and watching the effect
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:19 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #28
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
Come on BG, the NHS doesn't have infinite resources - it can only afford so much. It's potentially a case of either an experimental drug for one, or a proven cheaper drug for many </BLOCKQUOTE>

Be very surprised why it wouldn't be both. As expensive trialled medications are usually brought into wide circulation if they prove their effectiveness.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:21 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #29
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Unless I'm not read this right... trials don't work just by giving the drug to people and seeing what happens - actual studies need to be done - and that's more than just giving someone a drug and watching the effect
Well done. You understand what 'clinical trial' means.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:22 PM   The NHS Postcode lottery business Post #30
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Originally posted by Fat Bhoy Tim:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Anu:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Big Geordie:
I'm sure those who are suffering would be willing to take an experimental drug, rather than have to wait (and probably not get because they may die) any treatment until it's verified by the powers that be.
Come on BG, the NHS doesn't have infinite resources - it can only afford so much. It's potentially a case of either an experimental drug for one, or a proven cheaper drug for many </BLOCKQUOTE>

Be very surprised why it wouldn't be both. As expensive trialled medications are usually brought into wide circulation if they prove their effectiveness. </BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't follow the wording of your point tbh.. you don't see why you wouldn't be able to get both sets of drugs (from my example)?
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