retired_jhr2211

Yes, I understand that. What I don't understand is how it's anyone else's fault? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt say it was, the whole retort was to you suggesting that we dont pay taxes and thus could afford to pay overseas aid 5 times more than an average UK person.

Which you later quashed against raiding overseas aid to support the local community.


Please just give a simple reasoned post against what Ive posted above, citing your own independant sources and not this "bertonomics".

retired_ks reddy

Yes, I understand that. What I don't understand is how it's anyone else's fault? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt say it was, the whole retort was to you suggesting that we dont pay taxes and thus could afford to pay overseas aid 5 times more than an average UK person.

Which you later quashed against raiding overseas aid to support the local community.


Please just give a simple reasoned post against what Ive posted above, citing your own independant sources and not this "bertonomics". </BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yer basic reasoning would be that Jersey is far richer than almost every other bit of the UK, yet pays around 62.50 towards foreign aid as opposed to the 83.00 the rest of the UK stumps up.

Thought I'd explained that?

retired_jhr2211

You don't pay VAT.

But you pay more because you're an island and a small market. I pay 50% over UK prices for my marmite here, but it's something I accept as the price of exile.

Are you Jersey born and bred? </BLOCKQUOTE>
We do pay VAT because companies dont discount it in their pricing (a prime example is M&S).

I can photo the price tags tomorrow if you wish.

Sheesh, you are not always right Bert, I know the current Jersey economic climae a bit better than yourself.

And yes Im Jersey born.

and what does 5* UK average on house markets have to do with it? Do you honestly think that means the average person has 5* the liquidity or even 5* the wage?

Thatd be pretty far fetched. I mean thatd man that your average person would take home over 60K per annum cmpared to a £12K per annum person in the UK?

retired_jhr2211

Bert : If you cannot understand context of simple financial calculations of (for example gross wealth against per capita) which has to be weighted against actual hige monetory wealth (as youve mentioned the number wealthy milionaires is dispportionate to the UK) then what is the point in this?

Simply put you are not applying any weighting to your figures or reasoning when in fact probably 70% of the population in Jersey is on the same financial terms as an average UK person but gets hit with a higher cost of living.

retired_jhr2211

and with that Im off to bed to slurp caviar from my bed pillow whilst demanding my butler and maid make up the bathroom and heat the copper for my early bath.

retired_ks reddy

I didn't say the average person. I said an average across the population, the difference in mean or median or whatever the correct term is.

If M&S are charging you VAT plus shipping costs, why do people shop at M&S? On such an island a boycott would see them amend their policy or close down in a matter of weeks.

Are Jersey born in the majority? Properly represented?

retired_ks reddy

You said you thought of 5 million as a good effort in foreign aid from Jersey. I said that it wasn't, and the sums say that it isn't. Jersey should be dishing up at least 6.5 million just to stay up with the UK.

retired_jhr2211

The average tax payer which you insuinated in your original "pay taxes" post shouldnt.

and as mentioned your sums arent weighted against proportionate wealth let alone taking into account other col figures.

retired_ks reddy

Kris, I'm well aware that people in Jersey pay taxes the same as everywhere else. The original post was a joke. It's your own bloody fault for removing the :herman:.

retired_jhr2211

I didnt remove it :p

We pay lesser taxes Id admit, but it doesnt mean we are a bunch of rich tax dodgers.

I think being Jersey born, especially into a fishing family which is hardly renowned for being wealthy, means that although I can live in a beautiful island and experience relatively low crime et cetera, at the same time that comes at an enormous expense.

Trouble is, unlike other islands such as the UK, you cannot just up and move.