retired_kathydonatto

it just means non direct taxation for god's sake for example instead of saying we are going to put income tax up by x amount to pay for public spending and scare the bejesus out of middle england they keep income relatively unchanged and get the tax from other places - thats it!?!?

retired_brittneyloveshim

where would you bring in game theory, then? don`t stoop to explain what it is - anyone can do that and most people probably know anyway - just explain where you think it is relevant in this case.

DebSchiff

because you talk as if the basic principles are static and unchanging, its silly talk - there is no point having debate and politics if you choose a side and just stick with it. its pathetic really. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh, so there's a chance you might grow out of your right wing cuntery then?

DebSchiff

where would you bring in game theory, then? don`t stoop to explain what it is - anyone can do that and most people probably know anyway - just explain where you think it is relevant in this case. </BLOCKQUOTE>

And yeah, I'm actually really interested to see what game theory has to do with Labour stealing the tories policies.

retired_brittneyloveshim

it just means non direct taxation for god's sake for example instead of saying we are going to put income tax up by x amount to pay for public spending and scare the bejesus out of middle england they keep income relatively unchanged and get the tax from other places - thats it!?!? </BLOCKQUOTE>

i don`t have a ****ing clue what you are trying to say. was that an opinion or simply a description?

you`ve identified what it is and the intention but you haven`t identified the effects. they`re used partly because putting up income tax scares off middle england, but the effect is to shift the burden of tax disproportionately onto the poor. calling them `stealth` is particularly stupid because A) it`s not even an accurate description and B) it ignores that simple fact.

retired_kathydonatto

because you talk as if the basic principles are static and unchanging, its silly talk - there is no point having debate and politics if you choose a side and just stick with it. its pathetic really. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh, so there's a chance you might grow out of your right wing cuntery then? </BLOCKQUOTE>

ha ha ha nicely side stepped and also you just proved my point you are essentially saying - 'left wing = good
right wing = bad'

grow up ffs

retired_bball3378

then you are a moron </BLOCKQUOTE>

Look, you can all throw your intellect about and demonstrate your abilities to look up political theories on google but in the end Keyser’s been to the school of life and the university of hard knocks so can spot a vacuous lying Tory scum bag at 60 paces. Whilst you lot wasted 3 years of your lives gaining your political science degrees from Pontefract ‘University’ he was out shovelling sh*t, losing teeth and getting ****ed by the man. Don’t call him a moron without knowing exactly what you’re dealing with.

retired_kathydonatto

it just means non direct taxation for god's sake for example instead of saying we are going to put income tax up by x amount to pay for public spending and scare the bejesus out of middle england they keep income relatively unchanged and get the tax from other places - thats it!?!? </BLOCKQUOTE>

i don`t have a ****ing clue what you are trying to say. was that an opinion or simply a description?

you`ve identified what it is and the intention but you haven`t identified the effects. they`re used partly because putting up income tax scares off middle england, but the effect is to shift the burden of tax disproportionately onto the poor. calling them `stealth` is particularly stupid because A) it`s not even an accurate description and B) it ignores that simple fact. </BLOCKQUOTE>

my point was its just a name ffs, no one really thinks they are 'stealthy' in the true sense of the word, everyone knows about it - stop getting so het up about it. the name is just to emphasise the non-directness, thats it- stop being so literal.

I bet you are the type of person that will say things like 'when you say you are starving, you mean hungry, we dont know what starving is' because to say you are starving is A) not even accurate and B) ignores simple fact.

retired_brittneyloveshim

yeah because that works well elsewhere. socialised health insurance is not only the most equitable mode of provision, it`s also the most efficient. healthcare markets are particularly prone to failure. please provide some examples of where the NHS doesn`t provide adequate treatment if you are going to claim that it is the case. the simple fact that treatment can be more expensive now (because the quality of available treatments and the demands on it have improved) is surely one of the best arguments for retaining socialised funding.

the extra funding into the nhs has to some degree been botched - about 60% of it iirc has gone into salary increases - but the principles behind the need for the nhs remain as strong as ever.

retired_brittneyloveshim

it`s not "just a name" though, is it? names are clearly important. `stealth` is a political pejorative term invented and used for political reasons: it`s not neutral and it`s not accurate. it brings up an image of it being somehow hidden, which it clearly isn`t, and it glosses over the fact that they are mostly deeply regressive in their incidence.