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Old 10-17-2007, 01:52 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #101
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
Again, WTF? You made the mistake and I looked the fool? Logic wise you seem overly in touch with your feminine side sometimes, you know that?

And Fry's mum was born in England looking at the name, so he's not an immigrant at all. He just has one set of foreign grandparents.
Fry's mother was born in Austro-Hungary... I watched "Who do you think you are?" only two weeks ago.

The problem isn't my logic - the problem is that you can't work out even the most basic things and you need things spelt out for you. You looked a fool over your dodgy figures, and now you're on the defensive. So instead of saying to my original fry comment "No he isn't, he's second generation" you had to be an arsehole... twice ("How does that make him... etc" for the second comment instead of "No, that makes him 2nd generation"). You don't actually provide information, you just say "You're wrong!" - it's pathetic.

I hope that has spelt it out better, I'll put in chronological bullet points next time.

Stephen f***** Fry is the son of an immigrant. His mother Marianne was born in Austro-Hungary. Whether that makes him first or second gen I don't care - but he fits your criteria for inclusion in your dodgy statistics. </BLOCKQUOTE>

FFS Retro, I'm not here to educate you unless I feel like it. My first reply was 'no, he isn't', then in my second reply I told you that doesn't make him a 1st gen immigrant. What do you want, a ****ing essay on definitions or something? Man up.

And to my mind he's not an immigrant of any generation, as his father was British. He has foreign blood, but that doesn't mean immigrant. Otherwise we're going with the definitions used by people like the nazis and the American south, which is not I feel, the best direction to head in.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:52 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #102
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I'm taken aback that a man as quintessentially English as Fry, is the son of an immigrant.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:52 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #103
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by rvd313:
Either Sweden or das Vaterland.
Wrap up well, and try not to get put in prison then. </BLOCKQUOTE>
For what?

Being ***** at maths? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Anything's possible. Fritzy can be pretty strict.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:53 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #104
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I ought to put iirc about Marianne as naturally I can't prove it. it's possible I could be wrong (god forbid) - but it is my belief that it's the case, and that is what my original comment was based on.
It's true.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:53 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #105
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I'm taken aback that a man as quintessentially English as Fry, is the son of an immigrant.
Er, by the same definition the queen's an immigrant.

'Er'. Geddit?
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:53 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #106
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Ok. I'm slow as well then.

Fantastic.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:54 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #107
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Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by rvd313:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by rvd313:
Either Sweden or das Vaterland.
Wrap up well, and try not to get put in prison then. </BLOCKQUOTE>
For what?

Being ***** at maths? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Anything's possible. Fritzy can be pretty strict. </BLOCKQUOTE>
********.

They're all mellowed out now.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:55 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #108
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<BLOCKQUOTE>for instance if your dad's army serving in Germany and you're born there, you're included as an immigrant when you return to UK.
If that's true and if Fry's mother was born in Hungary then she's an immigrant making Fry the son of an immigrant.

Couple of ifs in there. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Except of course that Fry never returned to the UK. Keep trying
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:56 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #109
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And to my mind he's not an immigrant of any generation, as his father was British. He has foreign blood, but that doesn't mean immigrant.
Which could also be the case for lots of the 'children of immigrants' you mentioned earlier.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:56 PM   Saving Bert the trouble... Post #110
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Sir Bert Preast:
FFS Retro, I'm not here to educate you unless I feel like it. My first reply was 'no, he isn't', then in my second reply I told you that doesn't make him a 1st gen immigrant. What do you want, a ****ing essay on definitions or something? Man up.
It doesn't take an essay to explain why someone is wrong. A few words would have done.

As I said, you're a prat in situations like this. Just my opinion obviously. </BLOCKQUOTE>

A few words was exactly what I gave you?
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