mrfunktastick

no one is denying fm has bugs its just cm is bug and data ridden in comparison

trotamundos

Yeah, but I don't believe in the "well this is worse so we'll mock it" theory.

Both need improvements. And CM needs to continue to improve so that it's a genuine challenge to FM.

mrfunktastick

i agree, fm needs a decent competitor to spur on future developments. sadly it is lacking one at the moment

retired_brinker317

Oh without a doubt. For me, the 'Golden' era of Football Management games was the mid 90's - you had very good games like CM, Tactical Manager, On The Ball (Which was full of gimmicky little things like players having affairs with Pop Stars , but was still bloody good), SWOS - and some utter ***** like Club & Country, Club Football-The Manager, Football Masters, Premier Manager 3 (Not a patch on the previous one) and their ilk.

Now we just have two real contenders, in FM (Very Good) and CM (The last one was awful, not yet tried this one to be fair), and little else.

You need two or three really good games to keep everyone , not just SI, on their toes.

trotamundos

One of the premier Managers was stupidly hard. Can't remember which.

I'm liking 01/02 with the improved AI atm. Yeah it's simpler than FM, but it's back to being a challenge again now.

retired_fineat42

I remember the PM where the match was watching players statically move around the pitch in semi-3d looking like a chess board, and you'd see the ball go back and forth between players. It was ridiculously hard to set up a good tactic (you had to apply everyone's position for each area of the pitch the ball was in a la wibble/wobble), and games very rarely had more than a couple of goals. It was such a let down from the previous versions.

I though Ultimate Soccer Manager was quite good. The first pretty decent 2D match engine, and great watching the empire grow a la Sim City style

retired_brinker317

Yeah, that was Premier Manager 3. I remember 'selling' it to my Mum on the basis that it included an editor and therefore I wouldn't need another football management game ever again. Shame it was utterly gash

Didn't like USM at all though. Setting the price of burgers? No thanks.

retired_civilian888

Down with USM hate

Building a 40,000 seater stadium in the Conference and only getting 200 fans :cool:

retired_barbara45

What's Trackmania got to do with it? :p

retired_joesudz

USM was great for doing the silly little things that you can't do anywhere else, such as building the stadium, although I remember Fifa Manager had a nice system there as well.

Completely irrelevant as far as a game on football management is concerned though.