England Under 21s

retired_calyle · 10-15-2007, 09:16 PM

They were rubbish because Noble was suspended. He has more or less been the main man in the qualifiers so far

mattsaunders · 10-15-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Rob1981:
these days, if you're going to be any good, you're already knocking around the senior squad by the time you're 19 or 20. half the lads in the u21s are 21 and 22 because of the regs about registration dates - they must know they're never going to make it as senior internationals

fwiw, this is the current England squad for this week with the ages at which they were first capped for the senior team:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> Wayne Rooney 17Michael Owen 18Micah Richards 18Gareth Barry 19Wes Brown 19Joe Cole 19Rio Ferdinand 19Phil Neville 19Ashley Cole 20Stewart Downing 20Steven Gerrard 20Alan Smith 20Sol Campbell 21Jermaine Defoe 21Frank Lampard 21John Terry 22Shaun Wright Phillips 22David Bentley 23Andy Johnson 23Paul Robinson 23Peter Crouch 24Joleon Lescott 25David James 26Nicky Shorey 26</pre>

retired_globalmall · 10-15-2007, 09:35 PM

agbonlahor was great again, I heard.

retired_Frappin' · 10-15-2007, 09:41 PM

I went to that and thought decent players were Taylor, Milner, Huddlestone (sometimes), Theo and Gabby.

But to add to the point of U21's I would just like to point out something using information inside Friday's programme.

England Strongest XI (U21 Caps in Brackets)
Paul Robinson (11)
Rio Ferdinand (5)
John Terry (9)
Gary Neville (0)
Ashley Cole (4)
Steven Gerrard (4)
Frank Lampard (19)
Joe Cole (8)
Shaun WP (6)
Michael Owen (1)
Wayne Rooney (0)

okay so I make that 67 U21 caps between all of the players, which means an average of about 6 caps per player.

Now onto the hot U21 prospects that didn't quite make it. (U21 caps in brackets again)

Shola Ameobi (20)
Titus Bramble (10)
Luke Chadwick (13)
Jamie Carragher (27)
Gareth Barry (27)
Malcolm Christie (11)
Carlton Cole (19)
Carl Cort (12)
Jermaine Defoe (23)
David Dunn (20)
Ugo Ehiogu (15)
Anton Ferdinand (17)
Paul Gerrard (18)
Jonathan Greening (17)
Lee Hendrie (13)
Francis Jeffers (16)
Seth Johnson (15)
Scott Parker (11)
Jermaine Pennant (24)
Nigel Reo-Coker (23)
Wayne Routeledge (12)
Jonathan Stead (11)
Chris Sutton (13)
Matthew Upson (12)
Paul Whittingham (17)
Luke Young (17)

Now some of you may ask why I include names like Jamie Carragher, Gareth Barry and Jermaine Defoe. Now I would say that these players have not been given enough oppurtunities at full international level.

In conclusion I believe the U21s are cursed and that if you want to succeed at full International level you need to 'Do a Bentley'. Frank's boo-boys anyone? That's the curse at work right there.

Btw I may do requests if someone wants to know the amount of U21 caps someone has gained.

retired_heidigoebel · 10-15-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Rob1981:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Rob1981:
these days, if you're going to be any good, you're already knocking around the senior squad by the time you're 19 or 20. half the lads in the u21s are 21 and 22 because of the regs about registration dates - they must know they're never going to make it as senior internationals

fwiw, this is the current England squad for this week with the ages at which they were first capped for the senior team:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> Wayne Rooney 17Michael Owen 18Micah Richards 18Gareth Barry 19Wes Brown 19Joe Cole 19Rio Ferdinand 19Phil Neville 19Ashley Cole 20Stewart Downing 20Steven Gerrard 20Alan Smith 20Sol Campbell 21Jermaine Defoe 21Frank Lampard 21John Terry 22Shaun Wright Phillips 22David Bentley 23Andy Johnson 23Paul Robinson 23Peter Crouch 24Joleon Lescott 25David James 26Nicky Shorey 26</pre> </BLOCKQUOTE>

How many current internationals played u21 football?

retired_heidigoebel · 10-15-2007, 09:42 PM

nm someone did it for you.

mattsaunders · 10-15-2007, 09:43 PM

Carragher won over 30 caps ffs

and he would have won at least as many again if he wasn't such a big girl

retired_Frappin' · 10-15-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rob1981:
Carragher won over 30 caps ffs

and he would have won at least as many again if he wasn't such a big girl

Maybe I should have said they've been unlucky at International Level then with Carragher quitting early, Barry only recently being given a proper run-out and Defoe never really firing for England.

retired_labradorrose · 10-15-2007, 10:27 PM

On the topic of underage squads, one thing that has seriously hacked me off in previous versions of FM was the games insistance on picking players for say the U-19 national teams who are 20-21 by the time the finals come around.

I know its allowed etc..but its not how it works IRL. IRL there are "generations". For instance, last seasons U-19's were all born 1988 or younger. This year its '89. This all tends to go out the window at u-21 however.

Every country in the world does this, but FM seems to ignore it. There are guys born 87 in this seasons u-19's in FM 08.

Slightly off topic I know, but its something thats bugged me for a while...

retired_kellynew1212 · 10-15-2007, 10:29 PM

What was the score?

England Under 21s

Grab a beer, sit back and relax.

England Under 21s