[retired_v_meenucancer]

i think thatcher needs to take responsibility for theboydonegood being such an absolute waste

[retired_ks reddy]

Originally posted by DJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE>See?

No, I do not. If these blokes can't judge that a person without a weapon who is not making any threatening moves isn't the type they should force back into his seat and shoot him seven times from close range, there is absolutely no excuse. Including 'they told us to'.

That doesn't, in my opinion, make any of the people 'upstairs' less responsible, by the way.

It was one big long fuck-up, a great display of frenzied 'we need results' combined with 'omfg there's terrorists everywhere'. </BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why my first post was that these things should be left to the army to deal with. Your average armed copper is mid 30s with a nice house, car, wife and kids. He's not going to take any chances. Whereas your military equivalent is mid to late 20s, single and completely enamoured with his carrer and the beautiful toys it lets him play with. Much more stable in these kinds of situations.

However, that doean't mean the policeman here is any more worthy of a murder charge than is any other rozzer who arrests the wrong man worthy of a kidnap charge. They did their best on the day, and that shouldn't be a criminal offence. There's nothing to suggest any of the officers involved had any motive beyond safeguarding the public.

Not sure that Blair should be held responsible, though of course he should resign as he's the man who appointed those who were responsible. Cressida Dick should certainly be gone too, and they should never again even think of employing someone with such a silly name again.

But if you want to either equate the Met with the SS, or try to mitigate what the SS did on the grounds of what the Met did to de Menezes, then I'm going to shoot you straight in your big stupid square head seven times whenever I get the chance.

See?

[retired_ks reddy]

Oh, and stop letting women anywhere near firearms units ffs.

[DebSchiff]

Originally posted by theboydonegood:
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Because that's what happens? The buck stops with the man at the top because, ultimately he's the one responsible.

How is that so hard to understand?

because you are not addressing the reason for failure you utter tool, thats why - are you really this stupid?? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure Sir Ian would be glad that someone sees it from his perspective.

Have a read of this, it's not the Daily Star and there are some big words, but I'm sure you'll manage:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2788937.ece

Repeated incompetance and systematic, institutional failures of the Met resulted in an innocent man having six bullets pumped into his head from close range.

If it had been one overzealous firearms officer, I'd agree. But since it was a series of failings within the organisation, Blair, as commissioner, bears ultimate responsibilty for the actions of the Metropolitan Police and should resign. It's as simple as that.

[retired_princess160]

See?

The rich Turk is after me, Abe is after me, now you are after me, too.

I must be doing something right :cool:

[retired_fabricodalacosta]

Moi ? Socialist ?

I merely think it's the right thing to do for people to accept responsibility for a huge institutional failing. He's paid big money to be the man at the top, and with that should come ultimate responsibility. That should include having the decency to fall on your own sword over something like this.

As mentioned previously, this is an all too familiar thing that happens with top management. They are almost untouchable, or at least think they are.